YOU Cave

Face Book and Videos are Good for Your Crew

2012-02-12T16:00:00.000-05:00

What do you see common with these
two pictures?

How are they different from this picture?

Parents areable to watch, and from a distance, participate in their child'ssports and musical activities. It's difficult for a parent to be inthe audience for their child on an outdoor high adventure activity.Scouting is built around outdoor high adventurer activities. Parentsdon't usually get to see their kids participate in the “meat andpotatoes” of this program. Unlike attending the playoff games orthe holiday concert, parents can't attend the 50 mile backpackingtrip, whitewater rafting, or caving trip. It's difficult for parentsto really experience what their children are experiencing on theseadventures. Until recently.

Like other Venturing Crews we have aweb site and email list. Mostly this is just information about what'sgoing on and when things are happening. We have also taken advantageof creating a Face Book page. Our Face Book page is like our “frontporch” Everyone can see what's there and they know you live there.They are all welcome to come sit and visit. I have posted picturesbefore on this page. The kids love this. They grab the pics and usethem for profiles and bragging rights. I've recently started postingvideos of our trips here, too.

With the ability of publicly “tagging”the kids in the pics and vids you automatically call attention tothese kids from their friends and families with a big “this is whatI do”. Now parents get to be in the audience of all our cavingtrips. I've even had a couple different parents from two differentactivities thank me for letting them see what their kids are reallycapable of doing and how much fun they have doing it.

The Face Book Page is a very usefultool that all outdoor activity clubs need to be using. It levels theplaying field when it comes to letting parents know how well theirkids are doing and how much they grow and enjoy our activities. TheFace Book Page is a great way to promote your Troop, Crew, Y, orother outdoor club. Use it to it's fullest and see your program grow.

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Thanks,
Allen

Youth Protection in Scouting

2012-02-05T16:00:00.000-05:00

The Boy Scouts of America have adocument called, “TheGuide to Safe Scouting”. The purpose of this guideis to prepare members of the Boy Scouts to conduct activities in asafe and prudent manor. Protecting the youth members is of paramountimportance to the program. There is a section in the guide dedicatedto “YouthProtection in Scouting”.

Just some of the topics covered are;

Mandatory Reportof Child Abuse

How does BSAhelp prevent child abuse in Scouting?

LeadershipSelection

Scouting’sBarrier to Abuse

Two-deepleadership on all outings required.

One-on-onecontact between Scouts and adults prohibited.

Separateaccommodations for adults and Scouts required.

Privacy of youthrespected.

Inappropriateuse of cameras, imaging or digital devices prohibited.

No secreteorganizations.

No hazing.

No bullying.

Youth leadershipmonitored by adult leaders.

Discipline mustbe constructive.

Appropriateattire for all activities.

Members areresponsible for act in accordance of the Scout Oath and Law.

Units areresponsible for enforcing Youth Protection Policies.

There is a Frequently AskedQuestions section that should answer all your basic questions.

This document also goes into moredetail about;

Youth MemberBehavior Guidelines

Digital Privacy

LeadershipRequirements for Trips and Outings.

Coed OvernightActivities Policy

Internet Safety.

While Youth Protection Training isrequired for all BSA Leaders, you don’t have to be a member totake this training. You can go to MyScouting.organd create an account and take the training for the Cub, Troop, orVenturing activity you will be attending. Print the certificatefor your own records as its good for 2 years. It only takes about20 minutes of your time. The Scout Trip Leader will be veryappreciative of your efforts to help them have a safe trip foreveryone.

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Allen

NSS Brochures

2012-01-29T16:00:00.000-05:00

TheNational Speleological Society (www.caves.org)has a little known and used FREEresources for youth organizations, or anybody, wishing informationabout caves and caving. The NSS has 5 brochures that they will sendyou for FREE.

“TheNSS Membership Information”tells what the benefits are of being a member of the NSS and whatthey do for the environment. This also tells you how to join.

‘TheGuide to Responsible Caving”talks about caves and the many elements of caving such as safety,training, and cave owner relationships. This is very important toknow before you start planning your caving trip.

“FragileUnderground” talksmore about what you find in a cave and why it’s important to leavewhat you find and how easily destroyed the cave environment is.

“LavaTube Caves” talksabout how lava tubes are formed and the differences between them andthe more popular solution caves.

“Bats”is about, well, bats. What bats do and why we need them.

When youorder your brochures please let them know what organization you willbe using them for. And it you can let them know you heard about thisgreat recourse on the YOUCave blog.

“What’sKilling Our Bats” isavailable only in a pdf download. This is a great way to help educateabout White Nose Syndrome, a new disease that’s killing millions ofbats in the US.

Thereare some additional pdf brochures that are specifically targeted foryouth organizations. These 5 brochures can also be downloaded as apdf and printed out for distribution, and they areFREEas well.

“Caving:A Policy Statement and Guidelines on Caving Prepared by the YouthGroups Liaison Committee of the National Speleological Society andthe Boy Scouts of America”is written specifically for Boy Scouts, but has a lot of goodinformation for any youth organization to consider using.

“YouthGroup Caving; Legal Issues and General Info for the ExperiencedCaver“ is intendedfor the caver who is leading the trip. This is also good for theyouth group leader to understand what your guide is considering foryour trip.

“Informationfor Youth Group Leaders and Parents“and “Caving Equipment;A Discussion for Youth Group Leaders and Parents”should be printed out for every adult and parent of every youth goingcaving.

“EquipmentChecklist” should beprinted and distributed to everybody going on the trip so they knowwhat they will need.

Beforeyou start planning your caving trip go to the NSS brochures page athttp://www.caves.org/brochure/index.shtmland order enough brochures for everyone in your youth organization.After all, they are FREE…

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Allen

New Regional Coordinator in OVR

2012-01-22T16:00:00.001-05:00

Please welcome Eric Edelman as the newRegional Coordinator for the National Speleological Society YouthGroup Liaison Committee Ohio Valley Region. Eric lives in Indiana andis a member of The Eastern Indiana Grotto and The Bloomington IndianaGrotto. Some of his caving experience involves helping Scouts withtheir caving trips.

Eric has Regional specific informationfor both youth organizations looking for a caving activity as well ascavers who can offer help to those youth organizations in Kentucky,Ohio and Indiana.

Please go to his NSS-YGLC RC web pageto see more about him and welcome him to his new position.http://www.caves.org/youth/ovr_rc.shtml

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www.caves.org/youth
National Speleological Society Youth Group Liaison Committee. The youth group’s connection to caves and caving

Philly Grotto's Dead Dog Cave Trip 1-7-12

2012-01-15T16:00:00.000-05:00

Philly Grotto was heading off to DeadDog Cave for a fun day of caving. This is not what we would considerto be a cave for novices. It is technical and has a few tricky spots,but no vertical skills are required.

There have been a few youth from someof the youth group trips that we’ve done that have shown a interestin doing more than the intro beginner cave that we take them to. Weinvited them a few of them. Clark and Alex from Venturing Crew 23 ofDowningtown, PA took us up on the offer. Alex has done about 6 cavingtrips with me and this was Clarks 2^ndcaving trip. Bothare good cavers and comfortable doing this type of trip.

Seven of us met in Morgantown, PA werewe all pilled into Amos van and headed to West Virginia for the day.Along the way we picked up Andy and met Bill and Kathy at theentrance to the property. This cave is on private property so I won’tgive away any more information on it location. We did stop and talkto the land owner and exchanged a box of Dunkin Donut Munchkins forthe key to the cave gate.

Fortunately it was a mild day forJanuary. Peaking in the mid 60s it was pleasant weather for suitingup and the almost mile walk to the entrance. The gate was opened andwe all preceded one by through the tight-hole entrance to the“registry room”, and then headed to the “main junction”. Atthis point we split into 2 groups.

I was fortunate to have Clark and Alexin my group along with Dave and Bill who are experienced and verycapable cavers. The other group with Amos, Gary, Mindy, Gumby, Kathy,and Andy went the other direction. This was Gumby’s first cavingtrip with us and I didn’t have a chance to see how well he did, butI heard he did fine from the other group and that he was going towrite the trip report for their excursion.

I don’t want to give you a blow byblow of the trip. The pictures and videos do a lot better job of thatthan I can do with words. Take a look and enjoy the trip.

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Caving with Venturing Crew 23 from Downingtown, PA

2011-12-03T09:09:00.001-05:00

This trip was being planned since the summer. It seemed like the best time was "Black Friday". Everyone would be home from college and we'll some of us would rather be underground that fighting the crowds.
Enjoy..

Intro to BSA Caving

2011-08-28T12:00:00.004-04:00

Debbie Spoon is the Chair for the Caving Committee of the Utah Parks Council, BSA. She is also the Vice Chairman of the Timpanogos Grotto as well as a member of Utah County Sheriff’s Office Search and Rescue. She was tasked by the Utah Parks Council with devising a way to introduce Boy Scouts of America Volunteer Leaders to safe and ethical caving. Following the current BSA training platforms this was approached as a web instruction that the individual leader would view.

This was not intended to teach the leaders to be qualified cave guides, but introduce them to the issues and suggestions to planning a safe, ethical, and fun caving activity for their Troop, Team, or Crew. After they view this and decide that they would still like to take their BSA Unit caving they must go through some more training that is being devised by the Utah Parks Council Caving Committee.

While it’s only required for BSA leaders in Utah, I think it would be helpful to all BSA leaders. It is also good for cavers to view to help them to be familiar with BSA policies and understand what the BSA Leader is facing and can use help with while planning their caving activity.
Here’s the link;
http://utahscouts.org/openrosters/DocDownload.aspx?id=96853
What do you think??

Caving with Brandywine Valley Association Summer Camp Adventures High and Low

2011-08-21T12:00:00.003-04:00

Brandywine Valley Association has a very good summer camp program for kids of all ages. Each week is a different theme for different age groups. This was the “Adventures High and Low” week and we took them caving for one of those days. We don’t usually take this age group caving, but BVA always seems to attract kids that are exceptional when it comes to a sense of adventure and curiosity. They did visit a commercial cave earlier in the week. It gave them an understanding of the basics of caves and caving. But they were eager to try a little wild caving.

Amos, Keri, and I met them at their campsite early on Friday morning. They were all dressed and in the van and ready to go. When we got there we got all the helmets and lights out and distributed. We talked a little about what to expect and the basic safety rules of caving. We walked up the trail to the main entrance and they enjoyed the cool air breathing out of the cave. After one more helmet and light check they divided themselves into two groups. Amos led one and I led the other. We proceeded in and went in two directions.

In my groups were six kids, one councilor, and Keri was sweeping to make sure no one was left behind. Without going into too much detail on the cave we saw just about every part of it. These kids did all kinds of squeezing and climbing. They adventured into every place they could. A few of them kept asking to do the chimney. It was getting late, but they kept bugging me so we went to one of the other entrances so they could do the chimney passage. Even the ones who were hesitant did it and did it well.

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They seemed to enjoy the trip. They were all tired and were probably going to sleep well that night. I hope the last side trip didn’t get them home too late.

Again another great group of kids from BVA went caving with us. Maybe some of them will come back next year. Maybe we made a good impression on most of them and they look us up when they are old enough to join Philly Grotto. The rest of the pictures can be found here. Enjoy...

DBG Does the Ps

2011-07-31T12:00:00.004-04:00

It started off as a good idea. We hadn’t been to the P Caves in over 2 years and wanted to get back there. The idea was a good beginner cave to invite a few new people on. As it turned out a few people had to back out at the last minute but we had enough to make it a Dragon Breath Grotto trip.

Steve has been there a few times before and knew the place real well. Amos has been there a few times as well. I was only there once before. Mindy, Andy, and other Andy have not been there and were excited about checking it out. Three youths along for the day were Alex, Jayden, and Will. Alex and Jayden were newbies and this was Will’s 4^th caving trip.

Steve thought it would be good to do Python Pit first. It’s a physical and sporty cave with a lot to see. There is a bit of climbing. Everyone did really well with the climbing, at least better than I did. It was real wet in the back and muddy everywhere else. We were in there at lease two hours poking around and trying to see as much as we could.

Next was the Persistence – Platter cave system. Getting too the next cave was a little challenging in that even though it was around 40 degrees, the wind was kicking at about 30 + MPH. Being wet and muddy was not good in the wind. But we got there and inside as quick as we could.

It was even wetter and muddier than the first cave. The rewards for this were some beautiful formations. We were cold but full of OOOs and AAAAAs.

Some were getting too cold so we opted to get them out while the others continued on. The wind was picking up a little and the wind chill must have been around 10 degrees or below. Getting changed quickly with all that mud we brought back was a challenge. But everyone was finally in dry cloths and warming up.

All that exercise and cold weather does build up your appetite. We usually go for pizza afterwards, but Steve had the idea of stopping at Red Robin up nearer to Carlisle. It gave us time in the car with heaters on full blast to warm up. By the time we got there my fingers and toes where thawed out again and we were all hungry. I was very happy that even as a party of 8 they were able to seat us quickly and got us plenty of fluids and food.

Other than the wind dropping the wind chill to the single digits it was a great trip. Got to try this cave system again in the summer when getting wet is not a big deal. There are a few other spots on the property we’d like to poke into and didn’t have time. Next time.
Here's more pictures to check out.

Westtown School Caving Trip

2011-07-25T22:13:00.000-04:00

I went and did a “cave talk” at Westtown School. They were very receptive to what I had to tell them and the idea of an adventure underground. There were probably 11 people at the cave talk. That's a good indication of how many people are going to show up for the trip. They said they had 15 people in all sign up. In my experience usually only 60% of the sign ups actually show up for the trip.

We met them the morning of the trip at a rest stop along the way. Watching the kids at the rest stop I mentioned to the schools leaders that it looked like a good turn out. That's when they told me a last minute change in numbers. Instead of 15 people they had 16. WOW. Ok, so we did a little scramble and made sure everyone had their head covered and enough lights.

After we were suited up and in the cave we divided into 3 groups of varying levels of abilities. Even though I had the group that was suppose to be the lower end, they did every squeeze and crawl we came across without a blink or hesitation. I even heard some laughs along the way.

I'm not going into go into a lot of detail. There's a mess of pictures and video to look at to see for yourself how they did. Check them out and enjoy the trip.

Caving with Friends

2011-05-20T20:03:00.000-04:00

There are some great benefits from doing what I do. One is I get to meet some great people who I get to share my passion for caves and caving with. Another is with the pictures and videos I take I get relive it over again and share my fun with other friends. The last trip was no exception. But I’m starting to have to make tough decisions. How do you edit 4 hours of fun into a few minutes of video? So, OK, here are 2 videos from that last trip.

The first was a spontaneous light saber battle in the cave.

The other is a squeeze in this cave we call the “Wishing Well”. When you get into it you’re wishing you weren’t.

DBG caving with Troop 76 4-2-11

2011-04-06T21:22:00.000-04:00

Saturday morning Linsey met me, Amos, and Steve at our normal McDonald’s meeting place with 2 new people. Emerson and Keri were going on their first caving trip with Dragon Breath Grotto. We’re going to meet Troop 76 at the rest stop before we get off the interstate to collect everybody.

I stopped by one of their Troop meeting and talked to the kids and adults about gear, caves, bats, and answered a few questions. They seemed ready to go.

The Troop had 7 boys and 5 adults caving that day. We got to the property, suited up, got everybody helmets and lights and headed into the cave. Inside the entrance we had our review of the rules and double checked all the gear. Then we headed to the first big room where we divided into groups to go exploring.

Steve took Linsey, Emerson, and Keri in one group. We wanted to see how the new guys will do underground. Then the adults for Troop 76 divided their guys up according to age and ability. Amos took the more ambitious group and I took the younger guys.

I didn’t want to wear my guys out, so we limited our trip to about two and half hours. They did good with what I threw at them. I went back in to find Amos and his group. They were starting to wind down, too. They were out about 45 minutes after the first group.

Amos and I went back into find Steve and his group. They were still going strong and having a good time. Found out they were playing hide and seek with us and spent time hiding in the dark to avoid running into the other two groups.

Luckily Amos and I were there to see Keri and Linsey try one more squeeze. They did really well at it. By the time we exited it was about four and a half to five hours in the cave.

Everyone was tired and hungry so we changed and headed out to a dinner and had a small feast and headed home.

Emerson and Keri did really well. They seemed have an natural ability to moving underground. Their enthusiasm was unmatched as well. We’ll be seeing them soon. Need to take another Troop caving in a few weeks and they will be helpful with that trip.

For more pictures go to http://www.flickr.com/photos/trailsitter/sets/72157626438023646/
For more video see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo1xpAhs2Kc
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVsoD6pst9s

Visit Dragon Breath Grotto at www.dragonbreathgrotto.org

Changes to BSA Caving Document

2011-03-09T22:31:00.000-05:00

There have been some changes to the caving policies document that all Units of the Boy Scouts of America use. The document in it's entirety can be found on the NSS web sites at http://www.caves.org/youth/19-102B.pdf. Just to highlight the major changes (but these may not be all the changes). If you are a BSA Leader or taking some Scouts caving, please read and understand this document. It's important to the caves, the caving community, and the image that BSA portrays as responsible cavers.

Old Version	New Version
NA	Important Things to Know Cavers live by this creed: Take nothing but pictures, Leave nothing but footprints, Kill nothing but time. Safety-conscious cavers always: • Wear a helmet with a chinstrap • Have a headlamp on the helmet • Have two other working lights in their pack as backups • Wear protective clothing and gloves
General Caving Policy
5. All Scout groups are required to have an approved tour permit for trips of all kinds. Cave activities are included under that plan. National tour permits are required for a trip of 500 miles or more; local permits are issued to cover shorter trips.	E. All Scout groups are required to have an approved tour plan for all trips. Cave activities are included under that plan.
Cave Safely
The leaders must have adequate first aid training and ability, and a comprehensive knowledge of the practices to follow in the event of an accident.	• The leaders must have adequate first-aid training and ability, and a comprehensive knowledge of the practices to follow in the event of an accident. Wilderness First Aid training is recommended for at least one member of the group.
12. Not only the leaders, but every person on a cave trip should be aware of the necessity to constantly observe the whereabouts and potential problems of other members of the group and be ready to provide any assistance necessary.	F. Every person on a cave trip should be aware of the necessity to constantly observe the whereabouts and potential problems of other members of the group and be ready to provide any assistance necessary. The BSA buddy system must be used.
Cave Conservation
19. Bats and all other forms of cave life must never be disturbed nor removed from the cave for any purpose. Many species of cave life are rare and have been brought to the verge of extinction by collectors and vandals. During the winter months, hibernating bats should be left strictly alone. Awakened too often, they will use up their winter’s store of fuel and die of starvation before summer. Most bats are extremely beneficial as insect eaters and should never be harmed. Some caves have been designed as special bat habitats and closed to entry for all or a part of each year.	C. Bats and all other forms of cave life must never be disturbed nor removed from the cave for any purpose. Many species of cave life are rare and have been brought to the verge of extinction by collectors and vandals. During the winter months, hibernating bats should never be disturbed. Awakened too often, they will use up their winter’s store of fuel and die of starvation before summer. Most bats are extremely beneficial as insect eaters and should never be harmed. Some caves have been designated as special bat habitats and closed to entry for all or a part of each year. White Nose Syndrome is killing many bats throughout the United States. Before going caving, contact local wildlife experts and ask about the presence of White Nose Syndrome.
23. Spent carbide should be removed in suitable containers, never dumped in the cave. Once removed from the cave, it should be deposited in roadside trashcans or similar locations, never dumped on the ground. Spent carbide is toxic and will cause sickness and death when eaten by animals. Farm livestock in particular is often harmed this way. An inexpensive plastic bag is ideal for carrying carbide waste safely and easily. Spent carbide still emits a certain amount of acetylene gas and severe burns can result from accidental ignition. Some cavers prefer to use spare bottoms filled with fresh carbide for their carbide lamps, removing and capping the spent one and installing a fresh one as necessary. Never leave used batteries in a cave, either. Pack out everything taken into a cave.	G. Never leave used batteries in a cave, either. Pack out everything taken into a cave.

Caving with Troop 106

2011-01-09T10:51:00.000-05:00

December is a tough time of the year to organize a caving trip. Holiday parties and family gatherings take precedence. But it does make a nice brake and distraction from finals, school, and work.

Steve, Amos, and I were there from Dragon Breath Grotto to take members of Troop 106 from Paoli caving. We meet them at a rest stop in central Pennsylvania. They had originally predicted 16 members going but had dwindled down to eight hardy souls to brave the cold weather today.
When we arrived at the cave we suited up and distributed the helmets and headlamps. We entered the gate and talked a little about the cave and what to expect. They divided themselves into two groups. Amos lead one group and Steve lead the other as they headed into different parts of the cave.
It also happened that there was a group from Franklin County Grotto there that day as well. They were taking a couple new cavers in as well. We crossed paths every once in a while, but for the most part the groups were separated by sight and sound.

After a few hours and few from Steve’s group wanted to take a short break and get something to eat. This is usually the sign of the end of the trip. But a few from this group wanted to go back in again. Amos’s group had exited the cave earlier and some from that group had re-entered as well. Eventually we all met up and poked in some areas that we don’t usually look into. These guys were curious and patient enough to want to explore.
When you’re underground time tends to get away from you and as usual we realized it was 4:30 and we had better start heading out.

All in all we were underground almost 5 hours. These last diehards were energetic and wanted to get their fill of caving. I think they did. They were a great group of kids and I hope to see them underground again someday.

For more pictures of this trip go here.

Zahne's First Caving Trip

2010-12-10T18:33:00.000-05:00

We started this trip as a beginner trip for all the new people who have been coming to our Grotto meetings to check us out. We want to give everyone an opportunity to get underground as soon as they can.
Eventually showing up in Sunday morning was Steve Paylor and his girl friend Debbie. This would be her first caving trip. Amos was there. Marcy was there with there with her 2 nephews, Josh and Even. This was Evans second caving trip. Josh has been caving for several years already. Paul McKenzie was there with his two kids, Connor and Amelia, who have caved a few times before too. I was there with my grandson, Zahne. This was his first caving trip.

By the time we drove there and changed and sorted out gear we entered Carnegie about 12:30. The entrance wasn’t too wet. Fairly normal for this cave. As we entered into the first passage there was more water than the last time we were there. The duck under wasn’t very high, just a puddle and the main room only had water to just below my knee. A lot of this deeper stuff I had Zahne jump on my back as I waded through. It would have been too deep for his comfort and we were just starting out. I didn’t want him getting too cold too soon into the trip.

We divided into two groups. Marcy, Evan, Steve, Debbie, Zahne and I were in one group and we headed for the back of the cave. The rest went high and to the left then were going to where we were headed when they were done.
Evan and Zahne wanted to poke around in every hole they could find. They really had fun doing this. We also got to see a few small but really nice formations in this part of the cave. The only saving grace for sloshing through all that mud and water.
We arrived at the back of the cave and sat down to rest a little. We heard off in the distance some voices as the other group was catching up to us. So we sat there in the dark and waited for them. After they entered the room and sat for a moment they were also all off exploring all the corners of the room. We took advantage of the moment and did a “lights out”. Luckly I still had some Wint-o-Green Lifsavers in my pack from the last trip. We passed them out, sat in a circle and crunched and crunched and examined as each other “sparked” their Lifesavers.

After the mandatory group picture we started out. A few brave souls explored down another passage. It was wet and crawly so I hung back a little. Steve, Debbie, Amos and some of the kids kept going.
As soon as we were all set up again we headed back to the main room and headed towards the long crawly passage. We looked in, but Zahne and I were starting to get cold from being so wet, so we opted to head out of the cave.
We walked back to the cars cold and wet and satisfied that we had a good day underground. Too cold and wet for Zahne? I don’t think so. He’s bugging me to go on another caving trip as soon as he can. I think he’s as addicted to caving as his Papa is. That’s a good thing.

For more pictures on this trip go here.

Caving with Crew 456

2010-10-27T21:22:00.004-04:00

Mark this on the calendar. Although I was not the first one there, I was early to a rendezvous point for a caving trip. Molly was already there and Amos was pulling in right after me with Marci, Josh, and Mikey. We were headed out to central PA and meeting up with Andy Field. Meeting us at the cave was Crew 456.

Josh has been caving with us for a while. He has several caves on his resume. This was Mikey's second caving trip. He was excited to try this cave after an enjoyable trip to Wind Cave.

We arrived at the property about 11:30. The owners were there already. After our greetings and suiting up we all gathered in the "cave house" where we divided up into 2 groups, Crew 9 in one group and Crew 456 in the other. Crew 9 went to the Earth Room first. It's tight, but the reward is great. Very well decorated with formations and preserved. Then we headed out towards the bigger passages of the cave. There is a little climbing, and little squeezing, and a little chimneying. For the most part this is an easy cave to get around in and you can see most of the "Historic Section" without much technical caving skills. There are some fragile parts in this section and some wildlife you need to be aware of and take care to not disturb. But this is what makes this cave very worth while to see and enjoy.

We did not get to every part of this section, but we did spend close to four hours in there. The other group was already out and changed by the time we exited the cave. Everyone was hungry and ready to find a place to go for food and to relax before we started our long drive home. We found a pizza place called "Villa Roma Pizza" which accommodated our group of 10 people with no effort. The food was good, probably better than most of the places we've eaten.
Andy File is the Advisor for Crew 456. He's also a member of York Grotto and Philly Grotto. This Crew has been becoming more active in climbing and caving this past year. We invited them to join DBG-Crew 9 on a trip to Ruppert Cave.

The second half of this article is from the Crew 456 group.

For More Info on Crew 456 contact: Andrew Filer - 717 571 9165
Crew 456 Advisor Carreragt87@techie.com

Venture Crew 456 would like to thank Dragon Breath Grotto and Allen, for inviting us along to Rupert Cave. Will, Mark, and I went on the trip. This was Mark's first trip into a cave, and he loved it. The guys got to enjoy the mud room, and the series of newly discovered pits. We talked about the various formations in the cave, and checked the bat population for signs of White Nose Syndrome. The guys are excited to go caving, and want to bring friends next time.
Andy Filer

To see more pictures of this trip click here.

Go to Dragon Breath Grotto Venturing Crew 9 Home Page.

Welcome Joey Fagan as the NSS YGLC Regional Coordinator for VAR

2010-10-14T22:26:00.001-04:00

The NSS Youth Group Liaison Committee has been looking to fill volunteer positions of Regional Coordinator for each of the NSS Regions. Joey Fagan has stepped up to the plate and offered his extensive knowledge of caving and cavers in Virginia and West Virginia, Joey is also active and knowledgeable in both Boy and Girl Scouts.
Instead of telling you about Joey here, read his web page at http://www.caves.org/youth/var_rc.html .

Harmony Days 2010

2010-09-20T17:05:00.003-04:00

Dragon Breath Grotto took the squeeze box to Harmony Days in Honey Brook, PA to promote the caving club. there was some interest and some brave souls who squeezed down rather small. Maybe they'll come join us in a real cave and see what it's really like.

Dragon Breath and Philly Grottos Go Caving

2010-07-05T11:25:00.002-04:00

I got to our usual McDonald’s that we meet and Amos and Andy were already there and finished their breakfast. A little while later Steve arrived, then Katy and Pete. As we were getting ready to pack up the cars Krista arrived, just in time. Don’t trust those online directions.
We divided into two vehicles and took off to meet up with Bill near the cave. Of course I’m running behind schedule and was about 15 minutes late. But we all did get together and got to the cave, suited up, and carefully walked through the rows of corn find the entrance to our adventure for the day.

No one had been there for about a year and a half. The “gate” was filled with all kinds of debris. There’s not enough room for more than one person to work in there. It took Bill about 20 minutes or so to clean out the entrance and unlock the gate. Then one at a time we slid down the tube into the cave.
Many years ago before I had a chance to get into this cave I heard someone describe it as “sporty”. I now know that “sporty” means tight and a lot of work to move around in. A good bit of the passages are tight enough I just fit chest-to-back between the walls. There are some passages that open up a little more and one fare sized room. There’s also a lot of opportunity for scrambling.

Sliding down the “cork screw” is not so bad. Just push your shoulders into the walls and slid down. But climbing back up is, well, challenging, especially for us bigger guys. All in all a well worth the effort. A great little cave to spend a hot Sunday afternoon in.
Take a look at the pictures and you’ll get an idea how tight this little cave is.

Dragon Breath Grotto Venturing Crew 9

Philadelphia Grotto

Laurel Caverns Episode 1

2010-06-18T22:14:00.000-04:00

A few years back, in a previous life when I was a Scoutmaster, I had finally talked our Troop into going on a wild cave trip. We went to Laurel Caverns in western Pennsylvania (http://www.laurelcaverns.com/). This is really the ideal first time trip for Scouts to experience a dark cave tour. They supply most of what you need including the guides and the cave. They also have other activities than the dark tour like Climbing and Geology Merit Badge. They also offer a few Girl Scout badges as well.
We took the three hour dark tour. I'm trying to condense all the video into a one or two short glimpse of the tour. By the way, the kids in this video are all grow up adults now.

Meet Crew 77 Vertical Caving Team

2010-06-11T17:54:00.000-04:00

Venturing Crew 77 is out of Edmond, OK. They've been doing vertical caving for a while and have developed a pretty good program around it. Check out their video on YouTube.

The Crew 77 caving program has been going on for about 7 years. We have explored small caves in Oklahoma, and have graduated to major caving expeditions to the Carlsbad Caverns area over spring break for the past several years. The vertical caving is a direct offshoot to our BSA rock climbing program. It combines the Single Rope Techniques we learn in climbing, and put them in a different and darker context.

We will typically have horizontal caving opportunities for younger crew members and scouts. These will have hiking and navigation opportunities in addition to very scenic and geologically important caves. Training will include trips to Oklahoma caves such as Culp Cave and the Selman Cave System in northwest Oklahoma. Professor Dr. John Bowen is our contact/liaison with UCO for access to the Selman Caves.

For crew members and scouts over 16 years of age, vertical caving is the next step in our program. We spend time in January, February, and March upgrading the participant's SRT skills from simple climbing techniques to the specific performance levels in ascending and descending ropes that enable them to safely and efficiently navigate in the vertical environment. Our minimum requirements for vertical cave proficiency are the same entrance standards that the National Cave Rescue Commission has for their entry level cave rescue training. See: http://www.caves.org/ncrc/national/Students_Area/ncrc_student_resources.htm and click on the Level 1 requirements for the complete 11 page PDF file. We undergo a rigorous training program in our sponsoring organization's Christian Activity Center each available Monday night for three months to provide the training and develop participant's confidence to allow a fun and safe caving adventure. Participants must also demonstrate compatibility with their caving partners, willingness to preserve all features of the karst environment visited, and an overall high level of maturity and safety-consciousness.

Our program is modeled to comply with the requirements in the BSA publication Guide to Safe Scouting at http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/GSS/gss09.aspx#b . We also subscribe to the guidelines in BSA publication Caving, No. 19-102B found at www.caves.org/youth/19-102BSACaving+april+2007.pdf . More references to a safe youth caving program can be found in the links at http://www.caves.org/youth . There is information there for parents and participants alike on what is expected of Venture Crew cavers.

Our base camp is typically a commercial campground in Carlsbad, New Mexico. That gives us good access to clean showers, local retail shops, and a secure car camping area so we can focus on the caving on the trip. Most food is prepared in camp, but generally there are two evening meals at restaurants in Carlsbad to unwind from and bask in the cave adventures of the day. We plan for a 10 hour drive between Edmond and Carlsbad, with a whole day of the trip dedicated to safe travel each way.

We also spend a percentage of our trip on cave restoration and conservation. The karst environment is a fragile one, and our efforts have been used to clean man's pollution in caves ranging from Virgin Cave and Hell's Below Cave in the Lincoln Nations Forrest (in partnership with the High Guadelupe Restoration Project) to the main trail through Carlsbad Cavern in the Carlsbad Caverns National Park.

Encore: Dragon Breath Grotto at Hershey Cave 11-18-07

2010-06-06T17:47:00.000-04:00

Since Geocities is closing down, I have to move all my trip reports. They are in a sort of blog form, so I'll be moving them over here, one at a time.
========================================================================================The Dragon Breath Grotto (www.dragonbreathgrotto.org) is an Independent Youth Grotto for young men and women 14 y/o (or13 and graduated the 8th grade) to 21 y/o. This was the first official caving trip for this grotto. Most of the members have caved in one form or another before, but this was the first trip as a group. The members from Dragon Breath that were there were Paul S., John L., Dan W., and Dan G. Members of the Philadelphia Grotto who were along were Amos, Marci, Steve Gadd, and myself (Allen) who is registered in both grottos.

It was in the low thirties and slight drizzle outside as we were suiting up to go inside the cave. We were looking forward to the relatively warmer fifty-five degree cave temperature. The newer guys did well with coming up with suitable clothing for caving. Most of it did wear well, but I'm wondering how it all cleaned up.
Hershey Cave does not have a lot of climbing. There is some, but not as much as others in the same area. Mostly there is crawling. Some hands and knees crawling and some belly crawling. Some crawling seems to go on forever.

And there’s the mud. Some sticky mud and some slippery mud. The water table was low for this trip. The pit with the pool was empty and made a nice climbing exercise. Another advantage of the low water table is that all that crawling was not in 1 to 2 inches of water. Just a little muddy.
One section was a long crawl to dividing line for Coy Cave. We got up to that line and turned around. It gets really tight at that point and Coy is still off limits.

Some of the guys went through the front maze. I don’t fit, so I have to take their word for it that it was nice. Overall we were in Hershey Cave about two and half-hours.
This was a great cave for our first trip as a team and things just clicked into place. There were no issues and everyone seemed to really enjoy the challenge and the company. It seemed like every one in Dragon Breath has a friend that they’d like to bring on the next trip. We’ll have to get together and with everybody and see when and where we’ll go next. Hopefully it’ll be next month. I don’t want to wait too long before I get these guys underground again.

For more pictures from the photo album click here.
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Encore: Corker Hill and Frustration Pit with Chester County Council VOA 2-25-06

2010-05-30T17:05:00.000-04:00

Since Geocities is closing down, I have to move all my trip reports. They are in a sort of blog form, so I'll be moving them over here, one at a time.
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Kim’s Venturing Crew had caved with Philly Grotto before. While talking with her she told me she would like to talk to and set up a caving trip for the Venturers Officers Association. She spent considerable time and effort talking to the VOA and setting up this trip for them to Frustration Pit and Corker Hill. Their plan was to meet Philly Grotto at the Morgantown McDonald’s on Saturday morning.
I’d like to say the usual were there, but we were missing a few. Steve, Hanna, Paul, and I were there. I was able to borrow an extended cab truck from a friend so we could all ride together in relative comfort. The VOA was ready to go when I got there. They had a couple people drop out at the last minute, but we still had a good group. We loaded all the grotto and personal gear in the back of the truck headed off to the caves.
When we arrived at the property, the other Steve, his son John, and his son’s friend Kevin were ready waiting, and suited up to cave. The rest of us got suited up and we handed out helmets and headlamps to the VOA and they divided themselves into two groups. One group was lead by me, Steve (the other one), John, and Kevin. We had 4 youths and an adult leader from the VOA in our group. Steve, Hanna, and Paul lead the other group with 5 youth and an adult as well. I started in Corker and Steve stared in Frustration Pit. The plan was to swap caves after a few hours.
I went first and sat at the bottom of the entrance to put light into the hole so the group could see what they were getting into. John went next and waited halfway to help guide our guests down. As our guests came down to the bottom of the entrance, they seemed a little apprehensive. One even expressed concerns of possible claustrophobia. So as they came down I talked to them and described exactly what they were going to do and see. They decided they wanted to continue and I proceeded through the pinch and to light up the next room and guide them through it. As I’m counting them coming through, my sweep, Steve, came through before I expected. Yup, one dropped out before entering the cave. I guess it’s better to decide there than in the cave.
I have unsuccessfully tried to describe this cave before, so I won’t bore you with that again. What I found inspiring was the effort of these young folks to overcome a fear and proceed, not just with enduring the trip, but with an enthusiasm of wanting to poke in every hole and thoroughly enjoying the trip. They really developed their team and helped each other through the tight stuff and over the high stuff, smiling all the way.
After a few hours we exited Corker to take a break and try Frustration Pit. What was actually kind of nice was that the folks who were not caving set up a stove and had hot drinks waiting for us. This was a real pleasant surprise.
As we went off to find Frustration Pit, one of our group decided they were too tired to try the second cave that day. It takes courage to realize and voice your limits. Of course Steve had to show them the original entrance and asked “who’s first”. As they looked down that hole and listened to his description they looked at each other then back at Steve. “Just kidding”. Off to the entrance we were going to use. As we looked in this one and described the entrance, we asked again, who’s first. This time with out hesitation the one who had expressed concerns of claustrophobia jumped in and slid down after the leader like a pro.

We covered just about every inch of that cave we knew of and pocked around a little more. John volunteered to slide in a hole none of us had been in before and shouted back reports of more cave. Next time we’ll have to look more into this part. After a few hours we exited the cave.
Over all it was a good day caving. Some people knew their limits and when to say “when”. Other’s made significant personal gains that day. I think that everyone enjoyed the day out, whether they got underground or not. These youth, being representative from different Venturing Crews, where taking back first hand information to their home Crews on planing and executing a safe, ethical, and fun caving adventure. That was my goal.

Report From Steve,

I went in first and helped guide the scouts down as they came into the front end of the Halloween room. Soon enough Hannah, who was sweeping at the time, showed up short one adult leader. We then did the standard tour of
Frustration Pit, including the cellar where we did the Wint-o-Green
Lifesaver bit. As we slowly climbed our way back up and out of the cellar, I let Paul take one of the Venture scouts, I think it was Gary, up to the bottom of the smaller entrance. They both climbed up and out.
As we got the rest of the pack up from the cellar, we all moved up to see that small opening as well. We then went to the bottom of the original entrance. Hannah chimneyed up most of the way to the top and found out exactly what makes the pit so frustrating! We then turned to exit. I let
Paul and the scouts lead. They did a fine job. Although there was a little disagreement at first when we returned to the junction room, one of them quickly pointed out that we were supposed to climb up at that point.
I was in the middle. As we moved up, a very large rock sitting on the slope decided that friction was no longer sufficient to hold it in place, and it slid a foot or so. That put it in a spot where it was more likely to fall the last little bit and hurt somebody, so we helped it over the edge once everyone was out of harm's way. Then we exited to warm beverages and a rapidly cooling wind. One other lesson learned by the scouts was that Tyvek does not good caving coveralls make.

As with your group, we lost one more scout before going in the second cave. Going down went smoothly. We poked around pretty thoroughly, seeing just about everything except the A3 lead. A couple of the scouts,
Gary and Molly (the tall, thin one), even went up into the Stairway to
Heaven with much more ease than can I. This was our last stop before exiting. Hannah (with Paul sweeping) took most of the scouts up over the rock to just below the plug hole, while I took one other guy around the way we had come. I then spotted for the scouts as they climbed over the rock and went up through the hole. Soon enough, the last scout and I were all that remained. He tried to get up through the hole about three times, but kept having difficulties. As I could hear the tension in his voice rise, I suggested he back off and watch me go up through it to see how
I moved and where I placed my legs. After I popped up and out, he went at it again, and with a little help pulling on my arm made it up and through the hole. He then went up and out, spotted below by Hannah.
Meanwhile, I rolled up the ladder and started up and out myself. We then all went quickly back to the cars, as it had gotten quite cold by that time.

Steve

For more pictures from the photo album click here.
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Dragon Breath Grotto Caving in Central Pennsylvania 5-23-10

2010-05-26T17:24:00.000-04:00

It’s been over a year and a half since I’ve been underground. We have some new blood in the Crew and they are ready to go,op6 too. We met up at the McDonald’s at Morgantown. Pete, Katie, Steve, and Andy were there before me. Marcy, Matt, and Andrew showed up just after I got there.
Pete’s been on two caving trips with us. Katie caved with another group once. This is the first for Matt and Andrew. Along to help out was Mindy, Steve, Andy, Ed, and Marcy, so we were well covered.

We arrived at the cave around 11 and were underground by 11:30. Took a moment to get our eyes adjusted then went to the first room. From here on in we pushed all the tight squeezes we could find. Did a little bloudering and scrambling, too. I think we covered almost every part of that cave. Over all it was over four hours and everyone was whipped by the end.
There was lots of mud on this trip. With all the rain we’ve been having and all the snow over the winter, the water table is a little high. Normally things are a little sticky and there were times when this cave was actually dry. But this time there were even standing puddles, which made it a bit more challenging and fun.

We need to compile and exchange pictures and see what everyone has. Hopefully there’s plenty to show off to friends so they can see what they missed out on. Maybe the next trip we’ll have a few more new people. If you’d like to join us, let us know.

For more pictures go here.

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Encore: Big V Day 2007

2010-05-19T20:01:00.002-04:00

Big V Day was an event, held by Chester County Council, BSA, that was open to the public and FREE. At this event there were several different activities that people could try. These activities were focused for the interest of High School and College aged young men and women.
I was there to promote caving, and in particular Dragon Breath Grotto, which has recently been chartered. Amos brought the Philly Grotto Squeeze box and I had set up a “dark” obstacle course. Terry was over at the C.O.P.E. Course demonstrating vertical caving skills.

In the begining a few people just walked by looking at the squeeze box kind of puzzled. I was able to talk a couple people into try it set up high at 12 inches. Once they got the knack of it, there was a continuous line to try it one more notch lower.

By the middle of the afternoon I had to take off, but we did have a three way tie for six inches. Here's a video of one of the those.

Most people did seem to enjoy it and most who tried were challenged by the tight space. I hope that some will look us up in the future and take us up on our offer to take them caving.

Here's the rest of the pictures I have for the day. Enjoy.

NSS Youth Group Liaison Committee Regional Coordinators

2010-05-08T23:43:00.000-04:00

The purpose of an NSS Youth Regional Coordinator is to provide informational assistance to cavers, grottos, and youth group leaders so they may conduct safe and appropriate cave-related experiences. In addition to caving trips, these experiences may include presentations on ethics, geology, biology, techniques, and safety, as well as other topics of speleology.

Regional Coordinators:

adhere to all guidelines, policies, and requirements of the National Speleological Society (NSS).
adhere to all guidelines, policies, and requirements of the appropriate youth group organization.
treat all youth groups with equal consideration.
make themselves available to grottos within their region, to assist them in working with youth groups.
make themselves available to youth groups within their region, to assist them in conducting safe caving trips and learning about caves.
promote responsible caving practices for youth groups.
promote responsible caving practices by grottos and cavers when working with youth groups.

Regional Coordinators do not:

receive any certifications in horizontal or vertical caving techniques that are recognized by the NSS, and that would allow them to promote themselves as specially qualified to lead youth groups caving on behalf of the Society or for any other organization.
conduct activities as a Regional Coordinator.
have any obligation to take youth groups into caves.
have any obligation to give presentations to youth groups or grottos.
pressure grottos or cavers into working with youth groups.
set policy for grottos or for youth groups outside of those established by the NSS and the appropriate youth group.
receive compensation or require donations for time, equipment, land use, or expertise for themselves or for any other individual or organization. However, individuals who are also Regional Coordinators may decide for themselves whether to accept meals, lodging, and gas from youth groups to help offset any trip expenses they incur.

Regional Coordinators encourage youth group leaders to:

take youth groups into a commercial cave before entering a wild cave.
learn how to conduct safe and responsible wild-cave trips for youths
know and adhere to the national and local policies and guidelines established by their parent organization and the National Speleological Society.
follow responsible caving practices.

Regional Coordinators encourage grottos to:

develop a policy on youth group caving

Does the grotto take youth groups into caves?
Is the grotto willing to give presentations about speleology?
Establish a grotto contact for youth groups.
What, if any, equipment does the grotto provide?
How often will the grotto work with youth groups?
How, if at all, will the grotto work with the Regional Coordinator?
Establish any specific requirements for working with youth groups.

Dedicate a portion of the grotto Web site for Youth Group inquiries, including a policy statement:

State the grotto policy for working with youth groups
List a contact person (this could be the Regional Coordinator, especially if the grotto does not take youth groups caving)
Include a link to the NSS Youth Group Liaison Committee Web site.
Include a link to the Youth Groups section on the NSS discussion board
Include a link to local commercial caves and those offering "wild" caving trips; perhaps linking to the. "Wild Cave Tours and Sightseeing Trips" section of the NSS Youth Groups Web page.

BoG Candidate's reply on Youth Group Liaison Committee

2010-04-27T18:50:00.002-04:00

The elections for the National Speleological Society Board of Governors is coming up. I sent an open letter to all the candidates asking them for their views on the role of the NSS Youth Group Liaison Committee and how they would support it if elected to the BoG. You an see in other post the reply from John Hoffelt, Bill Putman, Herman Miller, Jay Clark, and Gary Bush.

Even though I posted this invitation to comment on Cave Chat and emailed each candidate individually, I have not, as of the time of writing this post, heard from;
John LaMar Cole 35457RE
Debra Young 44886RE
Dr. Dean Wiseman 32690RL

I hope this has helped members understand the candidates position on youth groups and caving and will help you in your decision for electing the next Board of Governors of the National Speleological Society.

BoG Candidate Wm. Gary Bush's reply on Youth Group Liaison Committee

2010-04-26T19:26:00.000-04:00

Your question about the Youth Group Liaison Committee’s role has special interest to me. One of your predecessors in the Chair position was my good friend, Jack Hissong. Jack passed away this past January. He had a very strong interest in working with and training youth groups in responsible caving. No doubt, his long association and efforts with the Boy Scouts fed his passion for the topic. Jack started the Youth Group training in the Greater Cincinnati Group and expanded its scope to lead scores of scout and youth group trips every year. Many were combined on matching weekends, so we could accommodate more groups. Jack recognized that the youth groups would be turning out many of our future NSS members. Once he became Chair of the YG Committee he did attempt to disseminate his information. But, I must admit, I don’t know how successful that was.

A real strength of the GCG YG training is a comprehensive and consistent program given to each group before, during, and after their trips. He, or one of us trained by him, would go out to each youth group several weeks in advance of their trips to give a slide presentation and discuss overall equipment and behavioral requirements for safe and fun caving. We’d go back to them just a few days prior to their trip for an equipment check-out and review. We’d have enough trip leaders to ensure adequate coverage for the group’s size. Trips were set for caves equal to the group’s age and experience. After their trip, we’d go back and discuss their reactions and/or any problems they may’ve had during the weekend. The basic elements of Jack’s program are still used by GCG today, some 30 years later.

I’m relating the history of Jack’s efforts because I saw it as a really effective way to meet the needs of both the youth groups and the NSS. The kids who came through these weekends had a good and safe trip and they gained valuable information about caves, caving, and the cave life. Hopefully, those who later served as adult youth leaders passed on what they’d learned.

My vision for your committee would include development of a consistent youth group orientation program curriculum, similar to what Jack developed. It would include discussion topics, related information for the adult leaders, and perhaps a basic slide or Powerpoint presentation for local grottos to start with for their programs. The Vertical Section did this for both Basic and Intermediate Vertical Training programs for grottos. Hopefully, a more consistent message would then be presented across the country to ensure all major topics and talking-points are presented to the young cavers.

With a few email requests to the major grottos I’m sure a wide range of existing programs could be assembled. Your committee could compile the best of the best into a common curriculum to serve as an outline, realizing of course, that regional changes might be required for the differences faced locally. Holding regional workshops would be an additional way to spread a consistent message to grotto leaders who currently don’t have a youth group program.

Once you have a chance to discuss this idea with your committee and settle on a direction for your efforts, I’d provide as much support as I could gather on the Board to help you complete your plans. Discussions with the JSS Chair could also benefit both committees.

I’d be glad to discuss this idea further, if you’d like.

Thanks again for your request,
Gary

BoG Candidate Jay Clark's reply on Youth Group Liaison Committee

2010-04-25T09:43:00.000-04:00

I see education and conservation as 2 of our main goals. Education starts at a young age and never ends. Proper education teaches conservation. Many youth groups have misconceptions about caves and the critters therein- that may have seen the descent and think there are creatures who reside there. I am in favor of starting cave education and conservation at a young age. I am the preserve manager for Tumbling Rock cave for the SCCi and we seen a great deal of traffic from young groups. I and the other manager work with each group to teach them about the cave and cave life. I am also in favor of trying to recruit new members from the ranks of weekend cavers who are not affiliated with any organized group. I am against openly advertising and trying to solicit members off the street to join a caving group. My feeling is that there are an infinite number of potential cavers or “spelunkers” and only a finite number of caves, so confine our efforts to those who will enjoy and respect our resources. Education at a young age can perhaps prevent vandalism, accidents or other problems. I would see your group working with scouts and outdoor groups at schools or church groups to encourage trips to caves where they could get the experience without causing any overuse problems. Unfortunately access is becoming a problem because of the WNS problems and again education plays a big role here. I have been on the Board before and I don’t recall any issues with the Youth Group coming up then. I am a lawyer and specialize in defending people who get sued. I do risk management for non-profit groups. I am reluctant to have the NSS assume any risk that it should not for a lot of reasons and would not be in favor of the NSS sponsoring trips for youth groups without analyzing the recreational use statutes of the State where the trip was to take place. I have and will continue to give advice to such groups on potential legal issues. I am in favor of representatives of your group giving educational talks to various groups and going on trips—not leading as such. I hope this answers your inquiry. Jay Clark

BoG Candidate Herman Miller's reply on Youth Group Liaison Committee

2010-04-23T18:00:00.000-04:00

I feel that educating and involving our youth is paramount to our goals in the NSS and even having a Youth Group Liaison Committee (YGLC) should hint at such. I believe the YGLC should offer direction and advisement to the local grottoes whom ultimately either involve local youth or don't. At a national level I feel the YGLC could offer a voice to other organizations whose primary purpose is in getting our youth outside and away from the . If elected I would like to offer further support to both the YGLC and the JSS as I have already stated I feel our youth is our key to future success of the NSS and of our goals.
Herman Miller NSS# 55273SU BOG Candidate 2010

BoG Candidate Bill Putman's reply on Youth Group Liaison Committee

2010-04-22T20:24:00.001-04:00

I believe the YGLC is a critical component of the NSS outreach efforts. I began my caving career as a Boy Scout, and we had no input or guidance form the NSS. We managed, but we could have been safer, better equipped, and more conservation=oriented if we had had some guidance. The YGLC has waxed and waned in effectiveness over the years. Overall, however, we have come a long, long way. Bill Steele knows all about that, since he has been an executive with BSA. Many good volunteers have made this progress possible. There are also many other groups that need our guidance - schools, churches, and summer camps, for example, often feature caving trips in the summer months.

It is a fact, however, that the leaders of youth organizations change over time, requiring near-constant communication and reinforcement of the contacts between the NSS and the youth organizations regarding safe caving practices. Youth group caving liaison activities are an essential component of promoting safe and responsible caving, and educating the public about the value and special nature of caves.

We are in the midst of a very difficult financial situation, but one things we must support and perhaps even expand is our outreach efforts, not just for youth organizations but to all non-NSScavers. While other areas may have to suffer decreased support and activity, I do not want to see the key areas of outreach and education scaled back. I would rather see them expanded, because I believe in the long term they will benefit not just caves and caving, but the NSS as well, by increasing our member base.
Bill Putnam, NSS 21117 RL/FE

BoG Candidate John Hoffelt's reply on Youth Group Liaison Committee

2010-04-21T11:14:00.002-04:00

I do thank you for your contact and concern for support to youth groups. As for all organizations, the future of the NSS lies with the youth and upcoming generations; otherwise, we stagnate, grow old, and wither away. It is critical that we support parents and group leaders that are interested in showing youth proper and safe cave techniques and appropriate conservation ethics. Literally, the efforts we expend and invest today are the dividends and future we reap tomorrow. These dividends, if invested wisely in our youth, will reap benefits far beyond yours and my tenure in the organization.

The NSS should continue to provide information and local contacts to youth groups interested in learning about caves and in experiencing the great wonders of going underground. Our primary focus should be to facilitate and assist those groups to find appropriate and qualified cave leaders and mentors. Clearly, we should integrate information sources and efforts between the Youth Groups Committee and other committees in the Education Division. I would certainly be interested in learning what efforts or changes you recommend for the Youth Group Liaison Committee.

Again, thank you for your interest in this matter, and please contact me if you wish to discuss the issue further.

John Hoffelt
NSS 20058F

The North East Region 6 Venturing Quest 2010 Caving Demonstration

2010-04-12T19:34:00.000-04:00

It actually turned out to be a pleasant day. A little chilly, especially in the morning, but the sun stayed out and warmed up a little in the afternoon.

This year it was at Horseshoe Scout Reservation which is part of Chester County Council, BSA. Back in the old days when I was a Scoutmaster, this is where our Troop went to summer camp. This weekend it was transformed to accommodate over 400 Venturers and their leaders. The theme for the weekend was “Monty Python and the Holy Grail”. There were a lot of activities for these high school aged people to do from a climbing wall, zip line, Velcro walk, rang shooting, cooking and a mess of other things to my little old caving demo. Of course I loaded up the squeeze box along with the “cave in a box”, my laptop, and brochures from the National Speleological Society and Bats Conservancy International.

As usual the squeeze box became a hit and the competition for the smallest squeeze was in full swing. Not to bore you with all the details here, just look at the pictures and the video. You’ll see how much fun we all had.
It was really good to see and catch up with some old friends and it was good meet new friends I made that day.

Vertical Caving Skills

2010-04-03T13:52:00.004-04:00

OK, so you’ve done a few wild caves. Belly crawled in the mud, squeezed through the keyholes, chimneyed horizontal cracks. What’s next?
Vertical Caving adds a whole new dimension to the sport. You’ve seen those drops. Twenty or 30 feet or more. There are no handholds to climb in and out. But if you could climb a rope, that would work. You’re going to leave your rock climbing skills behind and join in a new group of “pit bouncers”.
Vertical Caving is where you rappel down a on a rope and climb back on a rope. There’s special equipment and skills needed to do this safely and efficiently. While there are some BSA Climbing Instructors and Climbing Directors that are vertical cavers and they can teach you these skills, generally it is better to find and join a Grotto (local chapter of the National Speleological Society) that has a strong vertical training and practice program. They will teach you what you need to know and will give you opportunities to practice and hone these skills above ground so when your looking into the abyss of your first in cave drop you really do know what your doing.
You will have to purchase some new gear. But don’t do that right away. Talk to the folks who will be teaching you. Heed their recommendations. Lean how to make your own harness from webbing. Learn the basics of ascending with prussic knots.
You know not all caves are the same. The same goes for drops. There are different types of vertical caving gear that are more ideal for some drops than others. All vertical cavers have their favorite setup and it may not be the same as the next caver. But luckily most cavers will explain why they chose what they did and most will let you try they have set up so you can get a good sampling of what you would like to purchase first. But again, listen to the advice of these experienced cavers. Find out what they would prefer for the specific drop they will be taking you to first.
Once you do your first in cave drop you be hooked in a whole new aspect caving and enter in whole new worlds you’ve never been in before, nor would be able to get there without these vertical caving skills.

Suggested links:
To find a local Grotto, go the National Speleological Society’s web page and click on “FIND A LOCAL CAVING CLUB” www.caves.org.

A forum to read and asks question about vertical caving go to the “On Rope” forum at http://www.forums.caves.org/viewforum.php?f=5&sid=53b1fdd4ec8eb1c8bd2000101e2f61e5.

BSA Climbing Instructor Course

2010-04-03T12:43:00.001-04:00

Anyone who is 18 y/o or older and getting involved with BSA Troops and Crews caving should consider taking the BSA Climbing and Rappelling Instructor Course. I know what you’re thinking; climbing and caving are two different activities. And I’ll add that they are similar and I’d like to explain my thoughts on this.
Those of you who have done wild cave trips understand that there is a fare bit of crawling and squeezing into cracks and holes. There is also a fair amount of scrambling over breakdown, climbing over boulders, and chimining through cracks. In climbing terms this may resemble “bouldering”. Bouldering occurs where you need to spot someone who is not climbing more than shoulder high. There is no need for a belay while doing this. Sometimes you’ll be faced with having to belay someone who is climbing higher than you can safely spot them. When belaying you must to be anchored so you don’t get pulled off balance and fall yourself.
The BSA Climbing Instructors Course teaches you the basics and theory behind safe anchoring of a belayer, climber, and rappeler. It also teaches how to quickly asses when a belay is and is not necessary. Even though you may not have a caving activity that requires a Climbing Instructor to be present, the Climbing Instructor Course will give you the tools and skills to tell the difference between when you do and do not need a Climbing Instructor.
As a BSA Unit any time a rope or webbing is used for a climbing aid you must have someone with current “Climb On Safely” training present. Anytime more than one Unit or your friend from another Troop or Crew comes along with your Troop or Crew you will need to have a BSA Climbing Instructor.

Taking the BSA Climbing Instructor is not all that hard either. Most Councils offer this course sometime during the year. If not, check a neighboring Council for courses. It’s generally a two weekend course. You walk away with a lot of material and a better understanding on what you will need to do to be safe while on rope. This is not a “how to rock climb” course, but a “how to safely climb and rappel” course. And like most BSA courses it’s a lot of fun, you get to meet some great people and gain some incredible recourses.

NSS Youth Group Liaison Regional Coordinator for NCA and OVR

2010-02-28T12:57:00.003-05:00

The National Speleological Society Youth Group Liaison Committee (http://www.caves.org/youth) is connecting this generation of cave explorers and the next through youth groups seeking to include the sciences and arts of speleology and cave exploration in their program, by involving the Regional Coordinators, partners, associates, and Grottos.

We are developing the position of Regional Coordinator. There is an opening for a Regional Coordinator in the Ohio Valley Region and the Northwest Caving Association. This person will connect safe and ethical cavers and youth groups together. You can read what a Regional Coordinator does and does not do on our web site at http://www.caves.org/youth/coordinatorguidlines.shtml .

If you are, or know a person who cares for the quality of youth group programs. They may be cavers that are already involved with programs such as Boy Scouts, Girls Scouts, Boys and Girls Club, 4-H, Awanna, and others. I'd like to strongly encouraging each NSS Region to make this Regional Coordinator a part of your Section's make up.

The next generation of cavers depend on what they experience now.

Allen Maddox
nssyouth@caves.org
NSS Youth Group Liaison Committee, Chair

New Mexico has a new Regional Coordinator

2010-02-19T21:38:00.003-05:00

Deanna Younger is the new Regional Coordinator for the Southwestern Region of the NSS Youth Group Liaison Committee. Deanna has a lot of enthusiasm when it comes to caving as well as helping youth organizations with their caving program. Got questions about getting your youth group underground in New Mexico, check out http://www.caves.org/youth/swr_rc.shtml.

The Mega Crystals of Naica Mine: Big Pics : Discovery News

2010-02-16T19:31:00.002-05:00

OK, so there's no youth groups involved in this, but what a magnificant cave to see and the pictures are great. Take and look and enjoy.

The Mega Crystals of Naica Mine: Big Pics : Discovery News

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Let's Move

2010-02-09T17:33:00.004-05:00

This sounds like we need to get more kids out caving :-)

http://letsmove.gov/

"Childhood obesity or excess weight threatens the healthy future of one third of American children. We spend $150 billion every year to treat obesity-related conditions, and that number is growing.

Obesity rates tripled in the past 30 years, a trend that means, for the first time in our history, American children may face a shorter expected lifespan than their parents........."

WNS in Pennsylvania

2010-02-04T18:29:00.004-05:00

This is from a local station and is a very well done story about White Nose Symdrome in Pennsylvania. Please take the 20 minutes and watch it.

How Ropes Are Made

2010-01-08T21:59:00.001-05:00

http://bluewaterropes.blogspot.com/2010/01/how-ropes-are-made-bluewater-hq.html
When you have a chance, check out this blog on how ropes are made by Blue Water Ropes. Pretty cool.

Learning the Ropes – About Caving - Climb On Safely – Cave Exploring Elective for the Ranger Award

2009-12-30T20:21:00.007-05:00

Caving and climbing have a few skill sets that are similar. We have mentioned that before. One of these skills learned by climbing that comes in real hand while caving is rappelling. Vertical caving skills involves rappelling into a pit, and climbing back out. There are also some basic climbing and bouldering techniques that are helpful to cavers. Understanding what equipment is needed and how to take care of it is also important. After all, your life is literally hanging on it.
Taking the BSA “Climb On Safely” course will cover just about all the basics you need to know to have a safe caving trip. It will also cover a lot about what you will need to learn about ropes and their care for the Caving Elective for the Ranger Award. If your caving is going to involve class 4, 5, or 6 of the YDS ratings, you will need to have someone in your Unit with a current “Climb On Safely” training.
“Climb On Safely” can be done on-line in about 20 minutes and can be found at myscouting.scouting.org. The basics of it are rather straightforward and safety oriented.

1. Qualified Supervision
All climbing and rappelling must be supervised by a mature, conscientious adult at least 21 years of age who understands the risks inherent to these activities. This person knowingly accepts responsibility for the well-being and safety of the youth in his or her care. This adult supervisor is trained in and committed to compliance with the eight points of the Boy Scouts of America's Climb On Safely procedure. One additional adult who is at least 18 years of age must also accompany the unit. Units with more than 10 youths in the same climbing/rappelling session must have an additional adult leader at least 18 years of age for each 10 additional youth participants. In other words, a group of 11 to 20 youths requires at least three adult leaders; a group of 21 to 30 youths would require four adult leaders, and so on.
The adult supervisor is responsible for ensuring that someone in the group is currently certified in American Red Cross Standard First Aid and CPR (a 6 1/2-hour course).
In addition, the two-hour module "First Aid—When Help Is Delayed" is recommended. A course of equivalent length and content from another nationally recognized organization can be substituted. A higher level of certification such as emergency medical technician (EMT), licensed practical nurse (LPN), registered nurse (RN), and licensed health-care practitioner is also acceptable.
The ARC's Emergency Response, a 431/2-hour course that includes CPR, is highly recommended.
2. Qualified Instructors
A qualified rock climbing instructor who is at least 21 years of age must supervise all BSA climbing/rappelling activities. The climbing instructor has successfully completed a minimum of 10 hours of instructor training for climbing/rappelling from a nationally or regionally recognized organization, a climbing school, a college-level climbing/rappelling course, or is a qualified BSA climbing instructor.
The BSA offers a section of National Camping School for climbing directors who in turn can train climbing instructors. (A Project COPE director or instructor fulfills this requirement until January 1, 2002.)
Every instructor must have prior experiences in teaching climbing/rappelling to youth and must agree to adhere to Climb On Safely and the guidelines set in Topping Out.
NOTE: Any adult Scouter who successfully completes training in Climb On Safely is entitled to wear the temporary patch, No. 8631. A Climb On Safely Training Outline, No. 20-101, is available from your local council service center.
3. Physical Fitness
Require evidence of fitness for the climbing/rappelling activity with at least a current BSA Personal Health and Medical Record—Class 1, No. 34414. The adult supervisor should adapt all supervision, discipline, and precautions to anticipate any potential risks associated with individual health conditions. If a significant health condition is present, an examination by a licensed health-care practitioner should be required by the adult supervisor before permitting participation in climbing or rappelling. The adult supervisor should inform the climbing instructor about each participant's medical conditions.
4. Safe Area
All BSA climbing/rappelling activities must be conducted using an established or developed climbing/rappelling site or facility. A qualified climbing instructor should survey the site in advance of the activity to identify and evaluate possible hazards and to determine whether the site is suitable for the age, maturity, and skill level of the participants. The instructor should also verify that the site is sufficient to safely and comfortably accommodate the number of participants in the activity within the available time. An emergency evacuation route must be identified in advance.
5. Equipment
The climbing instructor should verify that the proper equipment is available for the size and ability level of participants. Helmets, rope, and climbing hardware must be approved by the UIAA (Union Internationale
des Associations d'Alpinisme) and/or CEN (European Community Norm). All equipment must be acquired new or furnished by the instructor.
Records must be kept on the use and stresses (the number of hard falls) on each item of equipment, which must be specifically designed for climbing and rappelling. Outside providers should be asked if they are aware of any stresses that have been put on their equipment. Any rope or webbing that has been subjected to more than three hard falls or that is four years old (whatever its use) must not be used. Refer to Topping Out concerning records that must be kept.
6. Planning
When planning, remember the following:
• Obtain written parental consent to participate in climbing/rappelling activities for each participant.
• In the event of severe weather or other problem, share the climbing/rappelling plan and an alternate with parents and the unit committee.
• Secure the necessary permits or written permission for using private or public lands.
• Enlist the help of a qualified climbing instructor.
• Be sure the instructor has a topographic map for the area being used and obtains a current weather report for the area before the group's departure.
It is suggested that at least one of the adult leaders has an electronic means of communication in case of an emergency.
7. Environmental Conditions
The instructor assumes responsibility for monitoring potentially dangerous environmental conditions that may include loose, crumbly rock; poisonous plants; wildlife; and inclement weather.
Use the buddy system to monitor concerns such as dehydration, hypothermia, and an unusually high degree of fear or apprehension. The adult supervisor is responsible for ensuring that the group leaves no trace of its presence at the site.
8. Discipline
Each participant knows, understands, and respects the rules and procedures for safely climbing and rappelling and has been oriented in Climb On Safely. All BSA members should respect and follow all instructions and rules of the climbing instructor. The applicable rules should be presented and learned prior to the outing and should be reviewed for all participants before climbing or rappelling begins.
When participants know the reasons for rules and procedures, they are more likely to follow them. The climbing instructor must be strict and fair, showing no favoritism.

Not Knots!! Who's There?? – Cave Exploring Elective for the Ranger Award

2009-12-30T19:39:00.026-05:00

There are a few knots that are commonly used for caving. These also happen to be the same as the knots used for climbing. So if you’ve done some climbing you may be familiar with these already.
Learning knots can be confusing. Animated Knots by Grog http://www.animatedknots.com/ is a good web site, which shows these in animated graphics.

The most generally used knot is the Figure eight. It is the basis for type several other commonly used knots. One is the Figure Eight Follow Through, or also known as a Figure Eight on a Bight. http://www.animatedknots.com/fig8follow/index.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com This should be backed up by a Stopper Knot. http://www.animatedknots.com/stopper/index.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com
The Bowline is another looped-end knot. It’s not used as commonly as the figure, but it is useful. It too should have a stopper knot. http://www.animatedknots.com/bowlineclimbing/index.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com

If you need to clip into a loop in the middle of a line that could be anchored at either or both ends you can use a bowline, but a Butterfly Knot is your best bet. It takes less rope, and even after it’s loaded can be untied relatively easy. http://www.animatedknots.com/alpinebutterfly/index.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com

Joining two ends of rope together is also a very common task. You could be tying two ends of the same rope or webbing making a loop. Or you can be joining together to different pieces of rope or webbing. A Double Fisherman’s Knot is usually used for tying two rope ends together http://www.animatedknots.com/doublefishermans/index.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.and a Water Knot is usually used for tying two pieces of webbing together http://www.animatedknots.com/waterknot/index.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com
A friction knot can be used to ascend or descend a rope. The Prusik knot is just what that’s for. http://www.animatedknots.com/prusik/index.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com
These are just the basic knots you should know before attempting to learn vertical caving techniques. There are variations of these and other knots for other purposes. But these are the standards that you will use throughout your caving career.

Personal Caving Equipment – Cave Exploring Elective for the Ranger Award – Change of Clothing

2009-11-24T21:27:00.005-05:00

Personal Caving Equipment – Cave Exploring Elective for the Ranger Award – Cave Pack

2009-11-24T21:10:00.011-05:00

One of the elements for the Caving Elective requires you to know what equipment you will need for caving.

There are some very basic pieces of equipment that every caver should have when entering a cave. This is equipment that must be in good working condition and every one must have their own without sharing. Each issue will discuss one or two items in more detail so you get an idea of why each item is important and where to find what you need cheap. I’ll later go into optional equipment that is a very good idea to have and WNS decontamination procedures for those who face that challenge.

Here’s you basic list:
Helmet
Helmet Mounted Light Source
Two sets of fresh batteries
Two additional Light Sources
Sturdy Boots
Sturdy Work Gloves
Old rugged Clothing
Thermal Layering Underwear
Synthetic Socks
Small pack w/
Water
Food
Small First Aid Kit
Whistle
Plastic Trash Bags
and
Change of Clothing

Cave Pack

If you’re going for an easy 2-hour caving trip you really don’t need much. But you never really know what can happen. It’s a good idea to get into the habit of when you put on your helmet that your cave pack is not far behind. But what do you really need to take with you?

Your cave pack does not have to be very big. Just the size to carry only what you need is the best bet. You will be carrying it with you through some tight passages. It will not always be on your back. It may be easier from time to time to move it to your side or front. There will be time when it’s easier to take if off and push it ahead of you and just carry it in your have.
Water is very important with any strenuous activity. As you breathe heavier, water vapor will be lost through the lungs. You will sweet more and lose water through your skin. You should keep yourself hydrated enough to avoid dehydration even though while caving you may want to avoid having to urinate often. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehydration#Avoiding_dehydration One or two liters should be enough for a few hours of cave exploration.
Strenuous caving will burn off about 400 to 500 calories an hour depending on what you are doing. Food and nutrition are very important. As you burn off calories you should slowly replace them. If you don’t you’ll find yourself slowing down physically and mentally. With insufficient calories you may also find your body will have difficulty keeping warm. High-energy foods (Power bars, Cliff Bars, etc) are important to keeping your physical and mental performance up to a safe level.
A small personal first aid kit is important to have. Not just for major accidents, but for minor scrapes and cuts. In addition to a few Band-Aids, disinfectant wipes, and such, some people like to carry some minor over the counter medications to treat diarrhea and upset stomach. A personal first aid kit is a good place to store an epi-pen, rescue inhaler, or other personal medication you may need while in, entering, or exiting a cave.
A whistle can be used in the event you have a problem and need to attract attention. Three blasts on a whistle in an international signal for help.
A plastic trash bag is one of those items that has multiple uses while caving. Yes, it can be used for hauling trash out of a cave and it’s surroundings. It can also be use as a vapor block. If you wrap the bag around you it will help hold heat close to your body if your unexpectedly delayed in the cave for any reason. It is also a good place to store all your dirty cave cloths and equipment once you’re done and changing into clean cloths.
You cave pack is an ideal place to store your extra batteries and extra sources of light. Some cavers carry other emergency items like hand warmers, emergency kits, webbing, and carbines. While you will probably have to take your cave pack off to fit through some tight passages, it’s a good idea to not leave it behind anywhere thinking you’ll pick it up on your way back unless you are positive you will be needing anything from your pack at all.

Personal Caving Equipment– Cave Exploring Elective for the Ranger Award – Clothing

2009-11-24T16:50:00.017-05:00

One of the elements for the Caving Elective requires you to know what equipment you will need for caving.

There are some very basic pieces of equipment that every caver should have when entering a cave. This is equipment that must be in good working condition and every one must have their own without sharing. Each issue will discuss one or two items in more detail so you get an idea of why each item is important and where to find what you need cheap. I’ll later go into optional equipment that is a very good idea to have and WNS decontamination procedures for those who face that challenge.

Here’s you basic list:
Helmet
Helmet Mounted Light Source
Two sets of fresh batteries
Two additional Light Sources
Sturdy Boots
Sturdy Work Gloves
Old rugged Clothing
Thermal Layering Underwear
Synthetic Socks
Small pack w/
Water
Food
Small First Aid Kit
Plastic Trash Bags
and
Change of Clothing

Clothing

There is no particular order of importance for which article of clothing is most important. The actual clothing you will need can change from one cave to the next depending on the wetness and temperature inside the cave.

It good to have something sturdy and durable on your feet when caving. Having good foot traction is very important. Boots with a lug sole and covers your ankle is a priority. The lug soul will release mud collected better than the soul of a sneaker or walking shoe. If the mud is not released it builds up to the point you are walking on mud with mud and will not have enough traction to keep from sliding. Because you will be crawling, climbing, and walking through rock passages you run a risk of banging your ankles. Protection is important to reduce injuries.
Also in this environment your boots won’t last long. Don’t spend a lot of money on your boots. Don’t use your best hiking boots, as they will be ruined. Work boots, cheap hikers, “jungle jump” boots, and muck boots work well. You will have to clean them well after your trip.
If you are decontaminating your gear you may want to consider a rubber muck boot. They stand up well to mud, water, and some cleaning chemicals. They generally have a good soul and can keep the moisture out to a point. They are also cheap.
Work boots, hikers, and jump boots with a good lug soul can give you plenty of protection and traction. They hold up well to the abuse found inside a cave. They won’t last forever, so don’t spend a lot of money because you will have to replaced them sooner than with normal use.
Sneakers are a very bad idea. Don’t wear sneakers.

Gloves are an important piece of safety equipment for two reasons. The first is that you will want to protect your hands from abrasions. You will be grabbing and holding onto rocks so you want something with a good grip and traction on the palms. You’ll want to keep you hands as warm as you can. You will get wet and with that comes cold. If by chance to have to touch a formation, the gloves will help protect the formation from the oils and skin cells from your hands. These oils can degrade formations.

Synthetic socks and a thermal base layer is important. This base layer should be able to wick moisture away from your body. Cotton is very poor at doing this and can hold moisture against your skin, which will pull heat out of your body, which will promote hypothermia. What you use for this base layer entirely depends on the environment inside the cave. What will the temperature be like? How much moisture will there be? Most caves in the mid-Atlantic section of the US are 54 degrees at 100% humidity. Nice mid-weight poly-pro long johns work best for most people in most of these caves. Caves further south tend to be a little warmer and you may not need as much of a base layer. Ask the folks you’ll be caving with what they recommend.

A lot of cavers use coveralls specifically designed for caving. These are very durable and generally made from ballistic nylon. They are also very expensive. As you are just starting out or only going on your first caving trip, you’ll want to still keep it cheap. You can get away with a pair of jeans and a sweatshirt for your first trip. You’ll soon realize that it will be hard to keep your shirt down and your pants up. This is why most cavers wear one piece coveralls. You can find these relatively cheap used on auction sites. Some places that specialize in work cloths will carry these, too. They will not last long. You will wear holes and rip seats, knees and elbows pretty fast. Cave mud will destroy zippers. After a couple trips the zippers will fail, and usually when you need them the most. Velcro fasteners works well and mud washes out.
The same with other items you will have to decontaminate, synthetics don’t tolerate bleach well. You’ll be cleaning all your caving cloths after each caving trip. Be aware of the cleaning instructions.

Personal Caving Equipment – Cave Exploring Elective for the Ranger Award – Light Source and Batteries

2009-11-24T14:59:00.011-05:00

One of the elements for the Caving Elective requires you to know what equipment you will need for caving.

There are some very basic pieces of equipment that every caver should have when entering a cave. This is equipment that must be in good working condition and every one must have their own without sharing. Each issue will discuss one or two items in more detail so you get an idea of why each item is important and where to find what you need cheap. I’ll later go into optional equipment that is a very good idea to have and WNS decontamination procedures for those who face that challenge.

Here’s you basic list:
Helmet
Helmet Mounted Light Source
Two sets of fresh batteries
Two additional Light Sources
Sturdy Boots
Sturdy Work Gloves
Old rugged Clothing
Thermal Layering Underwear
Synthetic Socks
Small pack w/
Water
Food
Small First Aid Kit
Plastic Trash Bags
and
Change of Clothing

Lights

You are going to have to have at least 3 sources of light. Inside a cave there is absolutely no light. It’s not nighttime dark like with stars and moon. There is no natural source of illumination. It’s absolutely dark. If your light goes out, you need a backup. If your backup light goes out you need a backup for that one. If you can’t see because you don’t have a light, you’re not going to be able to get out of the cave.

Your primary light source needs to be mounted on your helmet so your hands are free to help you keep your balance and navigate through the cave. If your flashlight is in your hand and you slip and drop it and it falls into a hole or breaks, you will then have no light. If you slip and you don’t drop your handheld flashlight, you will probably not be able to catch yourself which could result in an injury.

Today’s caver does have a choice in light sources.
Some cavers still prefer a carbide lamp. These lamps work by having a chamber with miner’s grade carbide in it and a reservoir with water that drips into the carbide chamber. The two chemicals together create acetylene gas, which is ignited. Depending on what kind you have they take a little work to keep lit and maintained. The light from them is well balanced through the light spectrum. They do give off heat, which can be a pro or con depending on the situation. You do have to deal with the spent carbide and dispose of it properly.
Most cavers today use battery-powered headlamps. These come in a big verity of kinds, styles, and price range. Up till recently incandescent lamps were the most popular. They gave the most light. Recently the LED light has been improving. Now they have become more popular than the incandescent because they can generate a lot of light, weigh a lot less, are more compact, and use a lot less battery power. You can pick up an inexpensive one at a discount or home improvement store, but don’t expect them to perform like the more expensive one developed specifically for caving which can be expensive. The cheaper ones may last a trip or two, but are not designed for the beating they will take inside a cave. You can use one for your first cave trip, but you’ll soon want something better.
You could use one of the cheaper lights as a backup second source. But if you don’t use it often you should take it apart and clean it after each use so it doesn’t corrode and fail when you need it the most.
A few cavers use “mini mag lights” as a third source of light. These can be kept in a cave pack or taped to your helmet.

You will see a few cavers who will keep all three source of light on their helmets. The purpose is to eliminate rooting through a cave pack looking for a flashlight in the dark. It’s a lot easier to just turn on another light. Usually lights burn out when it’s the least convenient like in the middle of a climb or a long belly crawl.
Some cavers carry a small LED light on a lanyard around their neck and even a couple more in their packs giving them 4, 5, and 6 sources of light.

Another suggestion that most cavers will give you is to use only lights that all require the same size batteries. When you are carrying backup batteries it’s a lot more convenient to not have to carry multiple battery sizes. If all your lights use, let’s say “AA” batteries, you only need to carry two additional sets of “AA” batteries and not two sets of “AA” and two sets of “AAA” and two sets of “C”.
There are also different types of batteries. Nickel cadmium and lithium ion. “Nicads” are the most common and cheapest. They work in most lights. “Li-ons” are lighter and come in a rechargeable version. But you have to be careful and make sure the light you are putting them in can handle them, especially LED lights, because they discharge at a higher rate and may damage some lights or even catch on fire.

So there you have it. Lights don’t have to be expensive, especially when you’re starting out. You can get better ones as you spend more time underground and retire the cheap ones to be your backup.

Encore: Dead Dog Cave with Troop 178 12-15-07

2009-11-23T21:42:00.005-05:00

Philly Grotto was heading on down to West Virginia with Troop 178 to do a little caving at Dead Dog Cave. I guess we've never done this cave in the winter before because I don't remember the walk to the cave being so cold. By now we don't get lost in the field looking for the hole they way we did the first couple times. But it's still a good ½ to ¾ mile walk from the cars to the entrance of the cave.

This was not their first caving trip with us. They had done some in NY as well. We all entered without any incidence and started poking around. There are parts of the cave I've been before and other parts I'd like to get too. With the size of this cave I still have not seen the whole thing, much less in one trip.

There is a fair amount of climbing and squeezing. It is a strenuous cave to crawl around inside of. We let the boys lead a good bit and discover what passages they could find. There was passage that they found that I didn't think looked worth while to squeeze into at that time. But now in hindsight, after I've looked over the map, there seems to be a good amount of passage past that point. I just need to loose a few more pounds to get past that hole and maybe rig a hand line for the return, just in case.

But we managed to cover a fair amount of the cave on that trip. We tried to make sure we didn't return on the same path that we entered rooms and passages. That made it a bit more interesting and we got turned around a couple times because of it. Just kept pushing until everyone was tired and ready to exit the cave.

Getting out usually a chore, especially replacing and locking the gate. In the past this has taken up to an hour to get it right. Today, with the cold, we were motivated and got it in place in 20 minutes. Then there was the long walk back with the sun low in the sky. We did get changed and packed up and back in the cars before sunset and headed back to Pennsylvania.

The day didn't stop there. The Grotto members and Troop 178 stopped to have dinner together and talked for a few more hours about caving and Scouting. We agreed to get together again real soon and do this again in the summer.

Personal Caving Equipment – Cave Exploring Elective for the Ranger Award – Helmet

2009-11-23T20:24:00.009-05:00

One of the elements for the Caving Elective requires you to know what equipment you will need for caving.

There are some very basic pieces of equipment that every caver should have when entering a cave. This is equipment that must be in good working condition and every one must have their own without sharing. Each issue will discuss one or two items in more detail so you get an idea of why each item is important and where to find what you need cheap. I’ll later go into optional equipment that is a very good idea to have and WNS decontamination procedures for those who face that challenge.

Here’s you basic list:
Helmet
Helmet Mounted Light Source
Two sets of fresh batteries
Two additional Light Sources
Sturdy Boots
Sturdy Work Gloves
Old rugged Clothing
Thermal Layering Underwear
Synthetic Socks
Small pack w/
Water
Food
Small First Aid Kit
Plastic Trash Bags
and
Change of Clothing

Helmet
Your helmet should be UIAA approved for climbing. (http://www.theuiaa.org/upload_area/cert_files/UIAA_106_helmets_2009.pdf) But you’re saying that we will be caving and not climbing. However, the head injury hazards are the same. Bumping your head is the most common hazard while caving. That pretty much goes without saying. There is always the possibility that someone can knock stone or other loose debris from above you. A UIAA climbing helmet can take multiple hits from the top as well as the sides. A climbing helmet has a multiple point chin strap as well, so when properly fitted will not get knocked off if you fall. When you start getting into vertical caving your going to be required to have a UIAA and/or CE Climbing helmet so you might as well get one of these to begin with.
Climbing helmets do come in a verity of brands, models, and price range. Don’t just order solely on price. Each model has their pros and cons. Go to a store and try different ones on. Is it comfortable? Does it adjust to fit you well? Can you mount your headlight on it? Ask other cavers what they think about their helmet. Would they buy another one? Are there any issues you haven’t thought about?
BSA Climbing Standard says you should replace your helmet every 5 years. This is mostly due to UV degradation of the materials. Being underground you don’t have the UV issues, but there are other issues that degrade the material as well. If your helmet does take a hard hit, don’t take a chance, and just replace it. There is a possibility of micro fractures that you can’t see. I guess you could have the helmet x-rayed after a fall, but for the price of a x-ray, a new helmet is cheaper.
If you decontaminate you helmet on a regular basis, look into how the different chemicals affect the shell, the lining, and the webbing of the helmet.
Yes, the helmet is probably going to be the single most expensive piece of basic equipment you will buy. But if you consider that each scratch you see on your helmet is a potential ER visit, the cost doesn’t seem so much. Hey this is your head we’re talking about. A broken skull is a lot different than a broken leg.
Don’t scrimp and use your old bicycle or skateboard helmet. Different sports have different requirements for helmets. They don’t all have the same rating. Bicycle helmets don’t allow for much impact from above. They are also only good for 2 hits, when you hit a car or other object and when you hit the ground.
If you buy a used or borrow a helmet you don’t really know its history. You don’t know how old it really is. You don’t know how many hard hits its taken if any at all. BSA and professional outfitters keep track of their helmet’s histories, but not everybody else does.
When in doubt, buy a new climbing helmet.

Encore: Crew 5 3-19-05

2009-11-08T18:30:00.002-05:00

On Saturday, March 19, 2005, 9 members of Crew 5, of West Chester PA, planned to cave. Members of the Philadelphia Grotto guided this quest for adventure.

Crew 5’s plan was to do more than just go caving, they wanted to get a taste of as many aspects of caving as they could. To do this they decided to earn the Caving Elective of the Ranger Award. This elective includes learning about and teaching to others different aspects of the cave environment. They learned about cave biology and geology and how it’s all part of the big environmental picture. They learned about cave maps and how to read them. They learned about they’re own safety in the cave. They learned how keep the cave, and its inhabitance, safe by practicing Leave No Trace ethics while in the cave.

So the plan was to enter the cave about 11:00 to 11:30. But before we went in there was a quick demonstration by Landon on Carbide headlamps and how they work. This was followed by the all-important "Talk" by Amos on last minute safe caving.

We divided into 3 groups and entered the cave. Fortunately, a couple of the adult leaders have caved before with other grottos. We were able to have one of them as a sweep.

Peiper cave is a maze cave. It is relatively easy and makes a great "first trip" for novice cavers. There is some climbing, but nothing too high or exposed. There is some crawling through mud. There are passages that have high ceilings and easy walking. There are also bats that seem to like to hang in places that make them susceptible to being knocked down. You really have to watch yourself where you put your hands and feet. Fortunately, non were disturbed.

Another advantage is that this cave is big enough that the three groups could cave without bumping into each other, unless that is the plan.

As usual, time just slips away while in there. The exit time of 4:00 PM crept up real fast. We did make it out on time, but, as usual, my group was the last out. "Just making sure no one was left behind."

After all were out and accounted for, we changed and tried to clean up. The Crew found out that you never really get all the mud off and sometimes you just have to except going to get something to eat with traces if Peiper left on you.

Crew 5 is great group and we look forward to caving with them again next year.

Encore: Caving with Crew 304

2009-11-08T18:17:00.008-05:00

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Crew 304 is from Glenside. We’ve done trips with them and Troop 304 before. They are a great bunch and fun to be around, so the motivation to get them into the schedule was there even though it was full already. We found September 6th to be a good date for mostly everybody.

Saturday morning Amos, Steve, John, and myself met at the McDonald’s parking lot and piled into the Montana and headed west on the Turnpike. What was left of the hurricane was blowing rain. The forecast didn’t look all that great, but we would be underground most of the day.

We were all to meet at a rest stop. The Crew was running a little late. After a few phone calls back and forth we found out where they were and got their course corrected and headed toward us. We finally got all collected together and headed to the cave.

When we arrived it was still raining. It’s not much fun getting dressed in the rain and getting wet before getting in the cave. Everybody made the best of it and remained excited about the adventure. So we set off to the cave as quickly as we could and got inside it to settle in and get everybody adjusted.

After a few technical adjustments and the standard “Cave Talk”, we had them divide into two groups. Steve lead one group, Amos lead the other. I swept Steve’s Group, John swept Amos’s group. One of the things I like about sweeping is that I can take occasional short cuts and swing into position to take some pictures of the folks we are caving with. With six in our group I had a chance to take a few snapshots.

We did the whole standard type tour and ran these guys though the passes. They did exceptional and tried many squeezes and climb that we normally don’t do. Time does go by faster when you in a cave. We finally crossed paths with the other group after about three and a half hours. We conferred for a while to see how everyone felt and what they wanted to do. A few had enough and wanted to go out and few still wanted to cave some more. Steve and I took a small group of exhausted cavers out the entrance and noticed that it had stopped raining. Then Steve and I headed back in to catch up with the last group.

When we caught up to them they were still going strong. We went into a few more crawls and rooms and took a few more pictures. I think we cover every inch of that cave that day. We finally emerged five and a half-hours later. Usually we do a 2 or 3 hour trip, but these guys just wanted to see and do more. It was a little bit nicer out side now, so we took our time getting changed and talked to the Crew and set up a plan to start planning for their next trip. We didn’t get out of there until about 7:30. We were tired and hungry and settled for fast food and headed home.

OK, so what are we going to do next year to top this trip?

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Encore: Central New Jersey Council Girl Scouts Caving IPP 8-03-08

2009-11-08T10:56:00.005-05:00

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Central New Jersey Council Girl Scouts wanted to do a Caving Interest Project Patch for their Cadette and Senior Girl Scouts. They asked me if I could help them with this. They were going to Laruel Caverns in the middle of August, but wanted to do a pre-trip class to lean what they could about caves and caving.

I guess I didn’t figure on traffic being that bad. What should have taken about an hour and 15 minutes was more like two and a half. This was all the notorious “Surekill Crawlway” that caused the problems.

I eventually arrived and went in to see what was happening. They all were there and just settling in to start. They helped me unpack all my props from the car and sat down to review their safety protocols for running a trip like this, just so the girls understood what was involved.

Talking about caving, or rather listening to someone talk about caving, is not as nearly as exciting as actually going in a cave and seeing everything first hand. But I try to give this a shot at every cave talk I do. We did go over all the personal safety gear they would need. As they gave their idea of what was important I pulled it out of my bag and dressed one of the girls in the gear until she looked like she was read to cave.

We talked a little about the geology of the caves and how they are formed and showed a few slides from Rupert Cave’s New Section (I wish I had brought the maps of Rupert with me).

After that I had them build a cave out off giant sheets of black plastic and the soda cans that represent stalagmites. Then we talked a little about planning a trip and reading a cave map. Topping the whole this off with a discussion about bats and WNS.

I wish I could go with them to Laruel Caverns next week. They are going to have a lot of fun. It’s a great cave for first time youth group to explore caves in a dark environment. Actually experiencing the youth’s first caving trip with them is a great experience and one of the reasons I enjoy doing this so much. I can’t wait to hear how their trip goes and to see pictures of their adventure.

Encore: The Brandywine Valley Association

2009-11-07T11:44:00.010-05:00

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( http://www.brandywinewatershed.org/ ) is an organization dedicated to the environmental protection of the watershed in Brandywine Valley. They run a Summer Camp program that reflects that philosophy. One of the components of their summer camp program examines and teaches the relationship of the watershed with the karst region.

Last year they went to Crystal Cave (http://www.crystalcavepa.com/ ) in Kutztown to learn about caves. The Education Director had contacted me, through the grotto, looking for information on caves that she could use with the program. I volunteered to go out a talk with the kids after their trip through Crystal Cave.

For kids younger than I am use to working with, they knew their stuff. They must have paid attention and asked questions of the guides because they knew most of the material I covered with them. I think that mostly it’s because these kids are there because they want to and they are interested in environmental issues.

The Director, Giselle, and I talked about the possibility of getting these kids into an actual wild cave. So we made a plan for the next year.

Wind Cave was the place we decided on for a number of reasons but mostly because it’s an easy cave. Also that it’s close to Indian Echo Cavern (http://www.indianechocaverns.com/home1680.html ) that they were visiting. Another is that it’s a tectonic cave and different from the solution “commercial” cave they would visit the day before. And because it gets abused, they can see first hand what happens when caves are not taken care of.

A couple weeks ago Amos and I took two of the adults from BVA to Wind Cave to evaluate the cave, room by room, passage by passage, what the kids will see and what they can and can’t safely do. Because this trip was on a weekday, and I didn’t anticipate other Philly Grotto cavers to be able to go along, I wanted their staff to be able to understand what we will be getting into.

I usually don’t take this age group caving. But I found these particular kids to be the exception to what most 10 to 12 year-olds are. As a group they understood very well the environment of caves, how they are formed, what is inside, and their importance in environmental relationships. They did a “ropes course” a few days before and some classroom caving exercises with tables and chairs. There were no wimps, whiners, or criers in this group.

I met them where they were staying at 8:45 in the morning. OK, so I was suppose to be there at 8:30. We did get to the cave, got all suited up, and entered a little after 10 AM. With twelve kids and three leaders in tow, you tend to run a little slower than normal, and we counted on this and gave the kids plenty of time to explore and poke around. We did the main entrance straight back, the upper dome room, and the main room. We went down the hole in the main room to the lower level and to the one below that. Some of the kids were very nervous about the climbs. With good spotting they were all able to do everything we threw at them. There were definitely some character building moments that day for all of them at one time or another.

Towards the bottom of the cave a few said they were starting to get cold. I did brief them before we entered to let me know when they started to get cold because it takes time to get out. So we started our way out and up through the climb to the main room where we gathered together again. I told them that those who were cold or had to go to the bathroom could go out the main entrance and would be out in about five minutes. Those who wanted to try a more difficult exit could and it would take an additional ten to fifteen minutes. All of a sudden nobody was really that cold or had to go to the bathroom that bad. They wanted the challenge.

The last passage was a chimneying of about twelve to fifteen feet long and they would be about four to five feet off the floor. I asked them if they watched to old Batman TV shows. Well, that’s what we’re going to do. I showed them how to do it once. Then I went back and slide down to the floor so I was underneath each one as they got indo position, with their feet on the ledge of one wall and their backs on the other as they skidded along. They all did very well, but I think it gave them more security with me under them.

Then we climbed up and out one of the other entrances and into light. By the time I got out, as the last one out, most of them were eating and drinking and undoing their muddy clothes.

I can’t say enough how prepared this group was mentally, physically, and equipment wise. Giselle and Tara from BVA really did their homework and had the kids ready. I feel this is one of the main reasons there were no issues or incidences, much less, no accidents. The attitude of the kids made this for me a really fun trip that I hope can be done again next year.

Encore: Caving with Troop 9 May 1, 2004

2009-11-07T10:04:00.004-05:00

On May 1st, 2004 Boy Scout Troop 9, from Honey Brook, went caving with members of the Philadelphia Grotto. The Troop members consisted of John, Randy, Dan, Shawn, Brandon, Mike, and adult leader Randy. The members of the Grotto were Stacy, Amos, Bill, and Marcy. I played double duty being the Scoutmaster of Troop 9 and the Youth Group Liaison of the Philadelphia Grotto.

Senior Patrol Leader Dan split the boys into two groups and the Grotto members divided themselves as group leaders and sweeps.

The planned 2 to 3 hour tour went very well. The boys had opportunities to explore different parts of this large, maze cave. No injuries, just fun.

All in all the consciences is that the boys want to go back and the grotto has extended them an invitation for next year.

Caving: A policy statement and guidelines on caving prepared by the Youth Groups Liaison Committee of the NSS and the BSA

2009-11-03T21:57:00.004-05:00

General Caving Policy
Caving can be a hazardous activity when the proper equipment, skills, and judgment are not used. Trips that are led by adults inexperienced in caving and trips containing large numbers of persons compound the hazards already inherent in the activity and create a potentially dangerous situation.

1. All caving, other than simple novice activities, should be limited to adults and young people 14 and over—members of Venturing crews or Learning for Life posts, and older Scouts in troops and teams. “Simple novice activities” means commercially operated cave excursions.

2. Units (teams, troops, crews) that include cave visits in their program, whether for one trip or many, must adhere to the two deep leadership policy of the Boy Scouts of America (two registered adult leaders, or one adult and a parent of a youth member, one of whom must be 21 or older). These leaders must be responsible, mature adults who are constantly present with the group. One cave trip leader must be highly qualified through caving experience and must be thoroughly versed in all established safety practices, conservation measures, and courtesy to cave owners.

3. In conformity with the BSA policy on the use of wilderness areas, all caving groups should be limited to eight to 10 persons and two deep leadership as required by the Boy Scouts of America for all trips or outings. Caving activities for larger groups should not be conducted. Each group should be organized to function independently, i.e., plan its own trips on different dates, provide its own transportation and food, and function as a separate and distinct group. The only exception to these rules may be trips to certain commercial caves where special provisions are made to furnish proper supervision by professional guides.

Note: Caving trips have been incorporated in the BSA “Policy on Use of Wilderness Areas by Personnel of the BSA,” with a cross reference to these guidelines. Copies of the wilderness area policy statement are available from High Adventure Programs, Boy Scouts of America, 1325 West Walnut Hill Lane, Irving, Texas 75015-2079.

4. Any Venturing crew wishing to learn about cave rescue work or pursue that activity as a specialty must do so under the sponsorship and supervision of an adult cave rescue group affiliated with the National Speleological Society.

5. All Scout groups are required to have an approved tour permit for trips of all kinds. Cave activities are included under that plan. National tour permits are required for a trip of 500 miles or more; local permits are issued to cover shorter trips.

6. The leaders and the individual members of the group must understand these basic practices and policies of caving, which are approved by the Boy Scouts of America and the National Speleological Society. In addition to understanding these tenets, every participant in a caving trip must agree, without reservation, to follow all of the specific guidelines contained in the remainder of this publication.

Cave Safety
7. Any cave trip must include a fully qualified leader or adult assistants qualified to handle all problems that might arise. These leaders should have had experience as active participants in a competent caving group. They must realistically evaluate their own knowledge and experience and must never attempt to lead their group into a situation that is beyond their capability or the capability of any member of the group. The overall capability and pace of a caving group is always that of the least able member of that group, and no member of the group should ever be encouraged or permitted to attempt a potentially dangerous act that is beyond their ability solely because the remainder of the group has the necessary ability.
The leaders must thoroughly comprehend that overwhelming difficulties may easily result from the problems of fatigue, improper or faulty equipment, emotional problems, physical limitations, or excessive eagerness or exuberance in members of the group. Additionally, they must realize that all of these individual problems are often interrelated and that the occurrence of any one of them can easily create a situation that will lead to or accentuate any or all of the others.
The leaders must constantly remember that any obstacle overcome on the way into the cave will also have to be overcome on the way out, when the group is tired, when the initial enthusiasm of some of the group may have decreased, and when their alertness and physical abilities, as well of those of their group, is at the lowest.
The leaders must have adequate first aid training and ability, and a comprehensive knowledge of the practices to follow in the event of an accident.
The leaders must keep their group together at all times.

8. All basic equipment such as clothing, shoes, lights, and spare parts for the lights, hard hats, and food should be appropriate for the cave being visited. It is the responsibility of the leader to insure that all equipment is adequate and in good condition.
The equipment and spares must never be makeshift or of questionable dependability. The highest standards developed by experienced cavers are to be met in all categories of equipment.
The use and repair of each item must be understood and demonstrated by all of the party before entering the cave.
Under no conditions should any member of the group be permitted to enter the cave if they do not have all of the required equipment in their possession. The sharing of any equipment, such as lights, between individuals must be prohibited.

9. Except for groups composed entirely of experienced cavers, the cave to be visited must not require the use of ropes, ladders, or other climbing devices. The safe use of these aids requires extensive initial training and practice under controlled conditions above ground, never in a cave.

10. Natural and fabricated hazards such as mud slopes, loose rocks, pits, deep water, complex routes, old ropes, wooden ladders, and the possibility of flooding are all dangers to some degree and must be approached with care and judgment. If it appears that an accident may still occur in spite of preventive measures, that area must be avoided entirely.

11. The strength, endurance, and specific abilities of every member of the group must be evaluated in advance and nothing attempted that exceeds anyone’s limitations. Climbing, crawling, and route finding are not necessarily inborn skills, and should be taught and tested before a cave trip is undertaken.

12. Not only the leaders, but every person on a cave trip should be aware of the necessity to constantly observe the whereabouts and potential problems of other members of the group and be ready to provide any assistance necessary.

13. Running, jumping, horseplay, and solo exploration must be prohibited—such foolhardy actions jeopardize not only the individual but also the entire group.

14. Caves are often cold and damp, and hypothermia is a danger, especially on long trips or trips requiring wading or crawling in water. Try to dress for conditions to be met, stay as dry as possible. Leave the cave immediately if any member of the group shows signs of hypothermia such as uncontrollable shivering, slurred speech, or loss of coordination.

15. Specific information about the caving trip must be left with a responsible person back home at time of departure. This should include location and length of time of trip, expected time of return, list of participants, and whom to contact for each trip member in case of emergency.

16. A record of every cave trip will provide valuable assistance to new leaders and cavers alike. Full records of all caving accidents will provide the basis for a guide to the development of a safe caving program. A complete report of any accident, regardless of severity, should be sent to the Safety Committee of the National Speleological Society, Cave Avenue, Huntsville, AL 35810.
Serious accidents should also be reported to the director of Health and Safety Service of the Boy Scouts of America.

Cave Conservation
In spite of the fact that most cave features are made of rock, many of them are, in reality, fragile.
Once they are gone or damaged they can never be recovered, nor can they be replaced with anything else. Every cave and its contents took tens or even hundreds of thousands of years to form, and it can all be disfigured or completely destroyed in one moment of carelessness. Carelessness is regrettable and must be guarded against at all times. Deliberate vandalism, on the other hand, is more than regrettable; it is literally a criminal act and must be forbidden. Every caver has an obligation to do his/her utmost to protect every cave he/she visits.
The necessary degree of protection is relatively easy to obtain, however, if everyone in the group agrees to adhere to the guidelines contained in the policy on the use of wilderness areas adopted by the Boy Scouts of America (see note under guideline 3). Many of the specific points contained in that wilderness policy are directly applicable to caving, and, besides providing protection for the cave and its contents, adherence to these guidelines will result in a safer, more enjoyable, and more easily managed trip. Cavers should leave absolutely no trace of their visit behind when they leave the cave. This means that they must leave every natural thing in the cave exactly as it was before they entered; it means removing everything that they brought into the cave; and it means staying on the established trails through a passageway to avoid increasing the number of disfiguring paths.

17. Cave formations and minerals of any kind must never be removed from the cave for any purpose. Caving trips should never include cave mineral or formation collections. They should rather substitute underground photography or artwork for displays and science fair projects.

18. Any cave formation must not even be touched. Both mud and the substances on a person’s skin will permanently discolor formations. Some cave formations grow by means of complex chemical processes and, in addition to the discoloration, any deposit left on these formations from the contact can interfere with future growth. Some formations are extremely fragile and will require the caver to exercise great care in order to avoid damaging them. If it is impossible to pass by these formations without causing damage, then the group must give up seeing any part of the cave beyond that point. Damaging formations to gain access to additional areas of the cave is not an acceptable practice.

19. Bats and all other forms of cave life must never be disturbed nor removed from the cave for any purpose. Many species of cave life are rare and have been brought to the verge of extinction by collectors and vandals. During the winter months, hibernating bats should be left strictly alone. Awakened too often, they will use up their winter’s store of fuel and die of starvation before summer. Most bats are extremely beneficial as insect eaters and should never be harmed. Some caves have been designed as special bat habitats and closed to entry for all or a part of each year.

20. If the cavers should be fortunate enough to find animal bones or artifacts in a newly explored passage, they must be careful to avoid touching or disturbing those items in any way. The best course is to take pictures of them, if possible, and immediately report the findings to competent authorities, such as a natural history museum, an archaeology association, or the nearest chapter of the National Speleological Society. Many old bones and artifacts that have been lying in caves for extended periods of time will crumble when touched; if they are ever to be removed, it must be by professional methods. Even if they are in good shape, touching or moving them could destroy the scientific information they hold while in place.

21. The caver must never write, mark, or paint on walls, ceilings, rocks, or formations of a cave.
Some caves have had registers installed by caving groups and visiting cavers are invited to sign them to record their trip. Occasionally it may be necessary to mark a confusing junction so that the correct passage may be found on the way out of the cave. For this purpose, cavers should carry small slips of paper with arrows drawn on them or, a better choice, small strips of reflective tape cut into the shape of an arrow. In either case, the markers are placed in suitable locations as
the group enters the cave. They all must be collected on the way out. Experienced cavers always follow the rule that—without exception— arrows placed in a cave always point to the exit, never in any other direction.
Using string to mark passages is not practical. In a small cave the marking of passageways is seldom necessary. A large cave would require a considerable amount of string and it isn’t always possible to collect all of it on the way out, resulting in litter.

22. Personal sanitation requirements should be met before entering the cave, and appropriate containers should be packed in and out of the cave in case of sanitation emergencies.

23. Spent carbide should be removed in suitable containers, never dumped in the cave. Once removed from the cave, it should be deposited in roadside trashcans or similar locations, never dumped on the ground. Spent carbide is toxic and will cause sickness and death when eaten by animals. Farm livestock in particular is often harmed this way. An inexpensive plastic bag is ideal for carrying carbide waste safely and easily. Spent carbide still emits a certain amount of acetylene gas and severe burns can result from accidental ignition. Some cavers prefer to use spare bottoms filled with fresh carbide for their carbide lamps, removing and capping the spent one and installing a fresh one as necessary. Never leave used batteries in a cave, either. Pack out everything taken into a cave.

24. Each caver should demonstrate personal interest in caves and appreciation for them by participating in, or even organizing, an occasional cave cleanup. The object is to remove trash and carbide dumps left by thoughtless visitors, and to remove writing on walls through the use of water and stiff-bristled brushes. This makes an excellent group project and teaches the value of conservation and respect for the natural environment of caves.

Courtesy to Cave Owners
All too often cavers forget that a cave belongs to the owner of the land above it, and that they must depend upon the goodwill of the owner, who usually has no interest in their activities. Cavers typically have nothing to offer the cave owner in return for hospitality and, in fact, quite often represent a problem for the owner in the event an accident occurs. In recent years, interest in caving has increased tremendously. Owners of popular caves are besieged every weekend by cavers seeking entrance and the result has been that many cave owners are becoming alienated to cavers. The owner of the land on which the entrance is located may exclude everyone from the cave if they wish, and the rudeness and thoughtlessness of some cavers has caused the owners of some popular caves to do just this. The following guidelines are important and should be understood and followed by all cavers.

25. Every group planning to visit a cave must obtain the permission of the owner before entering the land. The best plan is for one or two of the leaders to visit the owner several days before the trip to obtain this permission, or they may initiate contact by letter or telephone. Some owners are reluctant, however, to give permission in writing by answering a letter, so this method may result in disappointment unless the group has had previous contact with the owner. If the group is certain that the owner will be present and permission will be granted, it is satisfactory to ask when they arrive for the trip. In this case, one or two members of the group should seek out the owner while the rest of the members wait. Do not assume that permission is automatic and begin unloading equipment and changing clothes during the waiting period. Always wait for the owner to give his or her approval. If you find that the owner cannot be located and you do not have prior permission for this specific trip, then you must go elsewhere.

26. Do not continually go back to the same well known caves. Heavy traffic causes damage to caves and puts a strain on caver–owner relations (commercial caves excepted).

27. After obtaining permission to enter a cave, usually you must cross the owner’s land to reach the cave. Remember that a farmer’s income depends on his crops and livestock. Don’t climb fences that may break under your weight. Always leave gates exactly as you find them, either open or closed. If the entrance to the cave is covered with boards or brush, make certain that it is replaced, even while the group is in the cave.

28. Do not tease or chase livestock. Take special care not to startle flocks of poultry. They could run to one end of their enclosure and some of them might be killed or injured.

29. Be conscious of and avoid any action that might disturb or inconvenience the owner. Keep noise to a minimum, especially late at night. Pick up all trash, even that left by previous visitors. Don’t build a fire. You should never camp on the land unless the owner extends the invitation. Don’t even ask. After you leave, there should be no sign of your visit remaining on the premises.

30. Ask where it will be convenient to park your cars. Do not block lanes and driveways.

31. If it’s not late at night, stop on the way out and tell the owner that you are leaving. If it is late, leave a note. Remember that the owner’s schedule, particularly if that person is a farmer, may not be the same as yours. If the home is dark, regardless of the hour, don’t disturb anyone. In either case, thank the owner at the time of leaving. Sending a follow-up letter including, if possible, pictures taken in the cave, is also a good idea.

32. When obtaining permission to enter a cave, never underestimate the length of time to be spent in the cave. If you specify an exit time to the owner, never fail to leave the cave within that time. Longer trips can be planned for the future. Missing an exit time causes unnecessary concern to the owner and, in extreme cases, needless efforts by law enforcement agencies and rescue teams.

33. Many undeveloped caves are owned by various government entities, such as state park services, the National Forest Service, the Bureau of Land Management, the National
Park Service, etc. Many of these caves are gated and/or have strict access policies requiring permits to be secured in advance. Before undertaking a trip, find out what those policies are. When there, be sure to follow all rules.

34. The NSS owns some caves and manages others through various internal organizations, designated preserves, and lease arrangements with owners. The NSS committee or person in charge of granting access will know these BSA policies and guidelines, and will expect you to be in compliance with them.

35. Most states have some “show caves”—caves with commercially led tours and knowledgeable guides, complete with lights and easy paths and stairways. If members have no idea what a cave environment is like, the show cave is a good place for a group to start. Some of them will offer a special “wild” tour for groups who want a bit more of a crawling and muddy adventure. These commercial caves may have a different set of rules and standards that they have developed, and probably will charge modest fees.

These rules could condense to a simple statement:
Use common sense and treat the owner as you would like to be treated. If caving is to continue in this country, cavers must do all they can to make themselves welcome at each cave they visit.

Those seriously interested in caves may affiliate with a local chapter of the National Speleological Society. Information about that organization is available from the National Speleological
Society, Cave Avenue, Huntsville, AL 35810 or http://www.caves.org.

Part 4, The Program – Cave Exploring Elective for the Ranger Award – Planning a caving trip.

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Whether it’s your first, tenth or one-hundredth caving trip, planning is the key to a successful, safe, and fun trip. Planning is part of the joinery and the adventure.
The BSA Caving Policy (bin # 19-102) says in part “Any cave trip must include a fully qualified leader or adult assistants qualified to handle all problems that might arise. These leaders should have had experience as active participants in a competent caving group.” If you’ve taken my advice and solicited your local Grotto, you probably have an experienced caver helping your Crew plan your caving trips.
The reason for this is that not all caves are the same. It is good to have someone along with some experience with the cave you plan on exploring. The first rule of getting out of trouble is avoiding it in the first place. Know something about the characteristics of the cave and know your own limits. It’s always good to push yourself a little, but not to the point the trip becomes needlessly dangerous.
There are some basics about a cave you should consider. A decent map of the cave will tell you most of what you will be facing entering and once you’re inside the cave.

You should know about any vertical exposure you may encounter. How much climbing is involved with the cave you are interested in. Even though it was not intended for caving, you can use the “The Yosemite Decimal System” (YDS) http://www.climber.org/data/decimal.html to get a good feel for what you will encounter.
Class 1 is a well-established path. Almost like a sidewalk. Think of a lighted commercial cave tour.
Class 2 will require some route finding and occasionally using your hands for balance.
Class 3 is scrambling on rocks using your hands as well as your feet. A hand line may be helpful. Boldering falls under this class.
Class 4 is climbing over steep enough terrain to require a belay (feet over shoulder height). Ladders fall in this class.
Class 5 is more technical climbing. Caving is not climbing, but sometimes you will be in a situation were you will need to climb and be on belay where a serious injury or death is likely in the event of an unprotected fall.
Class 6 is not a real YDS class, but this is where the rope deliberately bears the caver’s weight. Cavers call it “vertical caving techniques” and it involves ascending a rope with climbing aids and descending with rappelling gear. Special training is needed above ground before attempting this in a cave.
To do anything from Class 3 on up you must have someone on in your Crew with “Climb On Safely” training. This is a very basic, on-line, training that only takes about 20 minutes. This will help you understand more about what you are facing. I suggest that everyone who may be faced with Class 3 or above situation take this course. The more in your Crew who have this, the more smoothly your trip will go. If your going to be involved with Class 4 through 6 your should have a trained Climbing Instructor.

Another consideration when planning your cave exploration trip is water. Like vertical exposure, the wetness of the cave can be in varying degrees, and may even change from one trip to the next to the same cave or during a single caving trip.
The least wet experience would again be like the lighted commercial cave trip where you can wear your regular street shoes. No special planning there, but that’s probably not what you are looking at doing. There are some wild caves that are dry. Some tectonic and lava tubes may be drier that solution caves.
Most solution caves have mud in them. After all they are formed with the help of water. Mud can vary in texture. Some mud is slippery and sometimes so slippery it’s difficult to stand up. Some mud is sticky and sometimes it can suck your boots off your feet. Either way if you crawly through mud you will get wet.
Some caves have streams and standing pools in them. These can also be of varying depths and have their own hazards depending on the depth. You should also consider not just how deep the water is, but how long will you be in the water and how wet will you get. While you may not be swimming, if your in water for a while you will want to consider if a wet suit would keep you from becoming hypothermic. Even wading through thigh high cave waters that’s just above freezing become uncomfortable after just a few minutes.
Some caves have deeper pools and streams. While you wont be cave diving, you will be swimming. Wet suits will be necessary. Being part of the Boy Scouts of America you must have someone with "“Safe Swim Defense” training. Like “Climb On Safely” this is an on-line training course that can be completed in about 20 minutes. Everyone on a trip like this should have this training and comply with the guidelines.
Then the most wet and difficult is cave diving. This is just going to be mentioned here and not go into any details, as it is a very specialized activity requiring special training and certification and is beyond the scope of this article. For more information you need to go to the NSS Cave Diving Section at http://www.nsscds.org/test/drupal/index.php for more information.

Another consideration when looking at a cave to explore is how tight does the cave get. You can generally tell by a cave map what to expect with this. Those little circles with numbers in them are the height of the ceiling at that point in the cave. Sometimes you can have large booming rooms and high ceiling canyon type passages. Sometimes you can have belly crawls for a couple hundred feet. Sometimes it’s just a tight pinch of less than a foot to get to the next room. Knowing your limits is very important. Knowing the limits of the entire Crew is important , too. Generally ever passage you go through you may have to return through as well.

Generally most caving excursions will not encounter all these situations, but they will likely be combined together. So rappelling through a water fall in a tight tube would not be a good choice for your first trip. While it's good to challenge your self, be realistic about your limits and the limits of your group and the hazards and challenges of the cave you plan to explore.

BSA Caving: Guide to Safe Scouting Section on Caving

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General Policy

Caving can be a hazardous activity when the proper equipment, skills, and judgment are not used. Trips that are led by adults inexperienced in caving and trips containing large numbers of persons compound the hazards already inherent in the activity and create a potentially dangerous situation.

1. All caving, other than simple novice activities, should be limited to adults and young people 14 and older—members of Venturing crews and older Scouts in troops, and teams. "Simple novice activities" means commercially operated cave excursions.

2. Units (teams, troops, crews) that include cave visits in their program, whether for one trip or many, must adhere to the two-deep leadership policy of the Boy Scouts of America (two registered adult leaders, or one adult and a parent of a youth member, one of whom must be 21 or older). These leaders must be responsible, mature adults who are constantly present with the group. One cave trip leader must be highly qualified through caving experience and must be thoroughly versed in all established safety practices, conservation measures, and courtesy to cave owners.

3. In conformity with the BSA policy on the use of wilderness areas, all caving groups should be limited to 8 to 10 persons and two-deep leadership as required by the Boy Scouts of America for all trips or outings. Caving activities for larger groups should not be conducted. Each group should be organized to function independently, i.e., plan its own trips on different dates, provide its own transportation and food, and function as a separate and distinct group. The only exception to these rules may be trips to certain commercial caves where special provisions are made to furnish proper supervision by professional guides.
Note: Caving trips have been incorporated in the BSA "Policy on Use of Wilderness Areas by Personnel of the BSA," with a cross reference to these guidelines. Copies of the wilderness area policy statement are available from High Adventure Programs, Boy Scouts of America, 1325 West Walnut Hill Lane, Irving, Texas 75015-2079.

4. Any Venturing crew wishing to learn about cave rescue work or pursue that activity as a specialty must do so under the sponsorship and supervision of an adult cave rescue group affiliated with the National Speleological Society.

5. All Scout groups are required to have an approved tour permit for trips of all kinds. Cave activities are included under that plan. National tour permits are required for a trip of 500 miles or more; local permits are issued to cover shorter trips.

6. The leaders and the individual members of the group must understand these basic practices and policies of caving, which are approved by the Boy Scouts of America and the National Speleological Society. In addition to understanding these tenets, every participant in a caving trip must agree, without reservation, to follow all of the specific guidelines contained in BSA's Caving publication, No. 19-102B.

Cave Safety

7. Any cave trip must include a fully qualified leader or adult assistants qualified to handle all problems that might arise. These leaders should have had experience as active participants in a competent caving group. They must realistically evaluate their own knowledge and experience and must never attempt to lead their group into a situation that is beyond their capability or the capability of any member of the group. The overall capability and pace of a caving group is always that of the least able member of that group, and no member of the group should ever be encouraged or permitted to attempt a potentially dangerous act that is beyond their ability solely because the remainder of the group has the necessary ability.
The leaders must thoroughly comprehend that overwhelming difficulties may easily result from the problems of fatigue, improper or faulty equipment, emotional problems, physical limitations, or excessive eagerness or exuberance in members of the group. Additionally, they must realize that all of these individual problems are often interrelated and that the occurrence of any one of them can easily create a situation that will lead to or accentuate any or all of the others.
The leaders must constantly remember that any obstacle overcome on the way into the cave will also have to be overcome on the way out, when the group is tired, when the initial enthusiasm of some of the group may have decreased, and when their alertness and physical abilities, as well of those of their group, is at the lowest.
The leaders must have adequate first aid training and ability, and a comprehensive knowledge of the practices to follow in the event of an accident.
The leaders must keep their group together at all times.

8. All basic equipment such as clothing, shoes, lights, and spare parts for the lights, hard hats, and food should be appropriate for the cave being visited. It is the responsibility of the leader to ensure that all equipment is adequate and in good condition.
The equipment and spares must never be makeshift or of questionable dependability. The highest standards developed by experienced cavers are to be met in all categories of equipment.
The use and repair of each item must be understood and demonstrated by all of the party before entering the cave.
Under no conditions should any member of the group be permitted to enter the cave if they do not have all of the required equipment in their possession. The sharing of any equipment, such as lights, between individuals must be prohibited.

9. Except for groups composed entirely of experienced cavers, the cave to be visited must not require the use of ropes, ladders, or other climbing devices. The safe use of these aids requires extensive initial training and practice under controlled conditions above ground, never in a cave.

10. Natural and fabricated hazards such as mud slopes, loose rocks, pits, deep water, complex routes, old ropes, wooden ladders, and the possibility of flooding are all dangers to some degree and must be approached with care and judgment. If it appears that an accident may still occur in spite of preventive measures, that area must be avoided entirely.

11. The strength, endurance, and specific abilities of every member of the group must be evaluated in advance and nothing attempted that exceeds anyone's limitations. Climbing, crawling, and route finding are not necessarily inborn skills, and should be taught and tested before a cave trip is undertaken.

12. Not only the leaders, but every person on a cave trip should be aware of the necessity to constantly observe the whereabouts and potential problems of other members of the group and be ready to provide any assistance necessary.

13. Running, jumping, horseplay, and solo exploration must be prohibited—such foolhardy actions jeopardize not only the individual but also the entire group.

14. Caves are often cold and damp, and hypothermia is a danger, especially on long trips or trips requiring wading or crawling in water. Try to dress for conditions to be met, stay as dry as possible. Leave the cave immediately if any member of the group shows signs of hypothermia such as uncontrollable shivering, slurred speech, or loss of coordination.

15. Specific information about the caving trip must be left with a responsible person back home at time of departure. This should include location and length of time of trip, expected time of return, list of participants, and whom to contact for each trip member in case of emergency.

16. A record of every cave trip will provide valuable assistance to new leaders and cavers alike. Full records of all caving accidents will provide the basis for a guide to the development of a safe caving program. A complete report of any accident, regardless of severity, should be sent to the Safety Committee of the National Speleological Society, Cave Avenue, Huntsville, AL 35810. Serious accidents should also be reported to the director of Health and Safety Service of the Boy Scouts of America.

Resource: Caving, No. 19-102B

Part 3, The Program – Cave Exploring Elective for the Ranger Award – Learning About Caves and Caving.

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One of the easiest ways to start looking at developing a program for a caving focused Venturing Crew is to look at the Caving Elective for the Venturing Ranger Award. It’s broken down into several sections. Doing this will help you develop your knowledge of caves and caving. Not just the geology, but the biology and history as well. It will help you understand what is safe and unsafe to do while caving. It will help you understand the need to be a steward to caves and karsts environments and all that live in around them.

If you’ve done what was described in Parts 1 and 2 of this series, and you sent me an email abut your Crew or potential Crew, and you asked for help and/or information, you have already done the first requirement. If you haven’t, send an email to nssyouth@caves.org. I also recommend going to the NSS brochures web page (http://www.caves.org/brochure/index.shtml) and download the available brochures and order a few of the ones that there are hard copies for. Get enough to share with your friends and future Crew members. These can also be used for the teaching portion of the Caving Elective.

The second and third requirement can be done together by reading a good book on beginner caving. The one I would recommend, as the first book to read is “Caving Basics” edited by G. Thomas Rea. It can be found at the NSS on line book store or on Amazon.com. This book touches on a lot of topics about caves and caving. It doesn’t go into all the details. There are other books that do that well. But your just looking for a general overview on topics associated with caves and caving. That’s why this is a good book to start with.
If your more into DVDs there are some good videos on caves you can watch. “Journey Into Amazing Caves” is a good choice for seeing what different types of caves there are. Another good video to watch is “Planet Earth, Vol. 2: Caves/Deserts/Ice Worlds”. There are other good beginner caving books and videos about caves, cave exploration, and cave biology and geology. Look around and see if there are any in your local library. If you’ve gone and joined a local NSS Grotto, they may have a library you can borrow from as well.

If you’ve gone to any NSS Grotto meetings and talked to the members, you should be able to find one who will come and talk to your Crew about caves and caving. This “cave talk” is a good opportunity to complete a few of the other requirements, but it's also a good opportuity to talk and ask questions of your visiting expert. It's a good time to show him or her your intentions to be good and contributing members of the caving community. It's a good time to ask for them to help you on a continuing basis, and if the fit is good, join your Venturing Crew as an Associate Advisor.

Caving Specific Venturing Crews: Part 2 Creating a Caving Venturing Crew

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Part 1 of this series was an intro to caving focused Venturing Crews and how to join one in your BSA Council. But what if there is not one one in your Council. Are you just out of luck?
Those who can't find a Venturing Crew with a specialty registration 1020 Spelunking / Caving still can form one with a little Internet research and the desire and passion to get underground.

How do you go about forming a caving specialty Venturing Crew? There is no one single good way. You have a few options. I’ll try to outline a few different directions you can try.

But first you need to talk to your friends. See if there is an interest among them to form a Crew to do this type of adventure on a regular basis. You’ll need at least five youth members to form your Crew. You may have to go outside your current circle of frineds to find people interested. Check with your Council's Venturing volunteer. It could be a Venturing District Commissioner, VOA (Venturing Officers Association) Advisor, or other volunteer position. They may have leads of other people interested in joining your Crew or have resources to find people. This is what they do. They are there to help with these things.
Next you will need a few adults to help out and cover all the aspects of Venturing and caving that the youth members can not. Look to your family, adult friends, and community. Even if they are not experienced cavers you should have someone comfortable with high adventure type activities and willing to learn caving skills. Find at least two and your on your way.
You need to understand what you will need to know and have to develop a safe and fun caving program. A good place to start is on the National Speleological Society Youth Group Liaison BSA caving web page http://www.caves.org/youth/bsa_caving.shtml. There are several links there with specific information regarding BSA, Venturing, and caving. Read through them and understand them. This is going to seem overwhelming. It’s not all that tough. If you need help understanding any of it, please send me an email nssyouth@caves.org and I’ll help with that. I'll go into some of these documents in a later article.
You and the adult leaders should go out and visit as local chapters (grottos) of the National Speleological Society. You can find them on the NSS web site at http://www.nssio.org/Find_Grotto.cfm. Not all grottos are the same. Go to their meetings. Talk to the members. Go visit as many different grottos as you can to find the best fit and interest. When you find one you like, join it. Become part of the caving community. Let them know what you are trying to do and ask for help. There are a lot of people in the caving communities that use to be Scouts. A few had their first caving experience through Scouting. When they see you are serious about the caver’s creed, they are more likely to help you. You may get a caver to sign on as an adult leader in your Venturing Crew.
Get all your adult leaders through BSA training. It’s not really all that hard or time consuming. All introductory training is on-line at myscouting.scouting.org/.

If you want you can send me an email at nssyouth@caves.org. I would be happy to help you through the maze of information. I can also help you network with other Venturing Crews that are going through the same process to exchange ideas and information. I have done this. I am the Advisor for Dragon Breath Grotto Venturing Crew 9 in Pennsylvania (http://www.dragonbreathgrotto.org/).

Next well look at what equipment you will need, your program planing, and the “do's and don'ts” of BSA and caving.

“Take nothing but pictures, leave nothing but well placed footprints, kill nothing but time.” Caver's Creed.

Encore: Tempel University Geology Club Caving Trip 11-22-08

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Since Geocities is closing down, I have to move all my trip reports. They are in a sort of blog form, so I'll be moving them over here, one at a time.
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This is another trip that's been months in the making. The original idea of taking the Temple University Geology Club was Allison Deratzian's. Allison is a member of Philly Grotto and teaches geology at Temple University. We coordinated with Dr. Laura Toran and between all of us came up with a plan to get the geology students underground. There were some administrative challenges, but you'll have this with any organization, but it was all very worth while.
We finally met up with Dr. Toran and the students Saturday morning about 11:00 AM at a rest stop along I-81. It was very cold and windy that morning. Wind chills felt like in the 20's. But we made introductions and played follow the leader to the cave.
When we arrived we got ready for caving as fast as we could to get inside and out of the cold and wind. Steve got them all in up the big breakdown room and we all sat there for a while to get eyes adjusted. While we had everyone together and had a little time we did a lights out. There were a few who were amazed at just how dark is really is in a cave. While we where there we decided to do the Wint-0-Green LifeSaver thing and set off some sparks.
There were 12 of them and 5 of us. They divided themselves into 3 groups. Amos and Marcy lead one group, Steve another, and Ken and I lead the third group. This made

ours a group of six, which moved well in this cave.
Ken and I went to the "chimney" first and down to the "catacombs". We crawled out of there and through "hanging rock hall" and let the students lead for a while and followed along and advised when asked. We did get turned around a couple times and we didn't get to every single crack in this cave, but we were in there for three and half-hours and had fun.
Unfortunately they did have to be back earlier than we usually do get back, so we did cut it a little short and didn't have a chance to have dinner with the students. But their enthusiasm for geology was infectious and I learned a few things about rocks and cave formation from them. Now I'm inspired to learn more.
I'm hoping that we inspired them as well. I'm hoping to see some of them at Philly Grotto meetings and join us for more caving adventures.
See more pictures of this trip.

Caving Specific Venturing Crews: Part 1

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In my opinion, Venturing and caving are a good fit. Caving involves a good bit of crawling, climbing, and squeezing. Put on top of that a cave is an absolutely dark environment. There are spaces that are just big enough to squeeze your helmet through and rooms so large your light doesn’t shine on the walls or ceiling. There are is mud so sticky it pulls your boots off, yet so slippery it’s a challenge to stay on you feet. There are pits so deep and black you can’t see the bottom. There are caves with rivers running through them and waterfalls. Caving is physically and mentally a challenging adventure.
There is a lot of beauty in the natural formation in a cave. Stalactites, stalagmites, helectites, rimstone dams, and crystals form on every surface. If you look close you can find fossils that have been embedded for millions of years. There can be standing pools of water so clear you have to look twice to make them out, or so murky you can’t see past the surface.

Caving is a team sport. You depend on the rest of your Crew, as they depend on you, to be safe. Everybody has a job to do. Everybody is responsible for everyone else. It’s an activity to be shared with others, as friendships grow strong when you face challenges together.

Caving is one of those activities that, with the proper guidance, you can go and do as a once in a life time activity with your Crew and have stories to tell for a long time. But if the caving bug bites you can never get enough. You look for any reason to put on your helmet and headlamp and poke around in the dark and the mud.

Those Venturers who are looking to do more than just a single tour can join or form a caving specific Venturing Crew. Those who have one in your Council are lucky. A little bit of paperwork and you're on board for a great adventure.
How do you find out if there’s a Caving specific Venturing Crew in your Council? Contact your Council’s Venturing Commissioner. Go to http://www.scouting.org/LocalCouncilLocator.aspx and punch in your Zip Code. Look for the phone numbers it gives you and give them a call. If you don’t get the answer your looking for right away, keep asking who’s in charge of Venturing in your Council. They’ll get you pointed in the right direction.

If you find one, go to a meeting and see who they are. Do they go caving often? Where do they go caving? Do they do other activities? Do they have equipment you can borrow before you make the plunge and buy your own gear? What is the cost of joining and what is expected of you after you join?

So now your part of a caving specific Venturing Crew, what else do you need to know? One good place to look is the National Speleological Society’s Youth Group Liaison web page at www.caves.org/youth. There is a link to a page that is specifically for BSA Troops and Venturing Crews at http://www.caves.org/youth/bsa_caving.shtml. From that page there are links to other important documents like the “Guide to Safe Scouting” caving section and the latest revision of “Caving: A Policy Statement and Guidelines on Caving Prepared by the Youth Groups Liaison Committee of the National Speleological Society and the Boy Scouts of America”. I’d like to go into a little more detail what in these documents and their importance, but I’m going to save that for another time.

And now that you are part of a caving Venturing Crew I’d like to know more about your Crew. Where are you located and what caving you have and are planning on doing? If you’ve run into a snag in you plans or you are going along smoothly, I’d like to hear from you. Please contact me, Allen Maddox, at nssyouth@caves.org.

But you don’t have a caving Venturing Crew in your Council? Well, let’s put one together. The next article in this series will be on just that. Putting together a caving Venturing Crew.

Cave Softly, Cave Safely, Cave Often,

YiV,

Encore: Troop 9 Caving with Philly Grotto 10/22/2005

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Since Geocities is closing down, I have to move all my trip reports. They are in a sort of blog form, so I'll be moving them over here, one at a time.
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Troop 9 on October 22, 2005

We met at the usual starting weigh point at 8:00 AM Saturday morning. A few Scouts straggled in later, but for the most part, everyone was awake and ready to go to the Cave. We had 5 Scouts and one leader, two if you include me. Well, it's the Troop I'm associated with and my name was on the Tour Permit. So I was leader number two for the Scouts. There were four of us from the Grotto as well. Amos, Bob, Steve, and myself where there to take these guys caving. Three of the Scouts have been caving before. For two of those, this was their third caving trip.

When we arrived there it was still raining. Not as heavily as it was in Morgantown, but it was still coming down. This really made you want to get changed and in the cave faster. We went in the entrance and gave "the talk" where it was a little drier. We divided up into two groups and proceeded through the entrance. Steve and I had Billy, Bobby, and Mike the Scoutmaster. Billy and Bobby had never been in a cave before. I'm not even sure they've been in a commercial cave.

I guess going through this cave on a regular basis, it's almost like walking down the sidewalk for most of the cavers. These guys saw it as an adventure into a world they'd never seen or could imagine. The little chimneying in the beginning started to unnerve Bobby a little. With a little coaxing and some positive encouragement he really did well.

Steve was in the lead and went straight for "the pit". There's a bit of crawling to get there, but nothing too tight. The boys looked down the whole trying to figure how to get down there. Then we showed them the back way and circled around to look back up the pit from the bottom. A great "Kodak moment" was seen and I scrambled back up to the top and took pictures of the boys looking up.

Billy had a notion to climb up "the pit". With Steve on the bottom and me up top, we talked and spotted him while he pushed and grunted half way up before he conceded and slid back down. Ok, time to explore some more. I circled back to pick up my pack and Billy decided to come up top and follow me as I paralleled the others to meet them in the next room. Somehow, during a crawl, I had this notion I should zipper my pocket with the camera in it next time my arm was free enough to reach it. I pushed my pack forward and rolled a little and that's when I saw it. Something out of the corner of my eye rolled down a little hole. Realized what I thought it was I touch my pocket to see if my camera was still there. The empty pocket gave me a sinking feeling of dread.

I let Steve know so we could stop and asses the situation. Yep, my camera went down a hole that was too small to crawl into. We looked around for another entrance to that hole. A small possibility in a very tight squeeze, but nothing that I could do about it right then. Steve and I knew that Amos could squeeze smaller than either one of us, so we opted to continue on until we crossed paths with the other group. Beside the Scouts were there to cave, not look for my camera.

As we continued we did connect with the other group and let them know what happened. They were on their way to "the pit" anyway, so they thought they'd take a look. I showed them the spot then joined back up with my group touring in progress.

Inserted report from Bob;

"From the other groups point of view on the trip. Once in the cave our group initially headed off to the Hanging Rock room. We knew that to get to it there was a tight crawl and there would be climbing over huge rocks once we got there. Our group had the more experienced cavers from the Scouts, and were able to go into the tighter crawls. We also did some exploring down some of the tight crawls to see if they went anywhere. Some didn't go very far but the Scouts followed no matter how tight it got.

Once we met up with Allen, Amos wanted to try to dig out the camera. He started digging while I kept the Scouts exploring but not very far from where Amos was. All three Scouts made their attempts at scaling the chimney and stuck with it until they all made it to the top. Later once Amos was back with the group they all scaled the chimney once again. Good job by all those Scouts.

Bob"

The rest of the trip went off with out a hitch. The boys started getting tired after about two and half-hours, so we headed out. These guys didn't get to see the whole cave. It can be big to an 11 year old and too much for one trip. Maybe next year they'll come back and see the rest.
Outside we exchanged stories between the two groups and talked about the camera. Being as stubborn as we are we thought it would be worth while to make another attempt at retrieving the camera. Bob stayed with the Scouts to make sure they were OK with returning the gear they borrowed and getting cleaned up and directions back to the highway. Amos, Steve, and I went back inside to the scene of the incident.

Steve and I soon found out what Amos had been up to. The hole was considerably larger than when I drop my camera. Considerable is a relative term, but considering that he only had a pocketknife to dig with, it was a considerable hole. And he jumped right in where he left off. Chunks of mud the size of hamburger patties were flying off and out of the hole. After a few minutes Amos exclaimed that he could see the camera. Now this was inspirational. We can't leave now. Not when it's in sight. In sight but just out of reach.

We had the foresight to bring a couple make shift tools back with us. A flat board for shoveling and a long stick with a hook for reaching. We tried everything to reach that camera, but nothing worked. Amos even had the bright idea to take off his boot and see if he could stretch his leg down the hole and pull it closer. The stick almost worked, but there was the fear of the camera falling further down the unknown hole.

After about two hours of taking turns with ideas and digging, Steve came up with an idea that seemed to almost make sense. He wove some climbing webbing into a pouch and tied it to the end of the stick making something similar to a lacrosse stick. He also taped a flashlight to the stick to see more of the inside of the hole. So headfirst into the hole he went.

Body language is a strange thing. You can tell what a person is doing even by the wiggle, or lack of, of their feet. Steve got very still and quiet. Then a quick jerk, then still again. Then a quick scramble backward out the hole. He had the camera. Two hours of patents and hard work finally paid off. Our first cave rescue was a success. The camera was a little muddy, but still working. All the pictures were recovered. I hope I never have to do that again.

Please visit my photo album from this trip.

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Encore: Caving with Crew 37 6-1-08

2009-09-23T19:37:00.003-04:00

Since Geocities is closing down, I have to move all my trip reports. They are in a sort of blog form, so I'll be moving them over here, one at a time.
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Caving with Crew 37

Crew 37 is new and wanted to use this event as a recruiting effort. Sounds like a good idea. It was a little ruff getting going, but the plans finally came together and we were on our way Sunday morning.

There were four youth members in their group. Apparently four others dropped at the last minute. But two of them were technically new, even though they all knew each other. The Advisor was feeling a little under the weather and while he decided to go on the trip, also thought it would be best for him to stay outside. I think this was a good choice considering the alternative. And Amos, Steve, and I had it all covered anyway.

These four are active and agile so we thought to challenge them accordingly. Steve took the lead and headed through some tight breakdown right away while I took the easy way to get pictures as they emerged. They were well challenged and Steve got a good workout as he got each one over the hidden climb and did it twice himself. Amos swept up the rear in his quiet, effortless way.

Now that they past the first obstacle, they were getting the hang of it and was going to be difficult to keep them from wanting to see the whole cave. Steve and Amos directed them towards the back the back of the cave and challenged them with more climbs and more crawls and they just kept going. What they thought was only about fifteen to twenty minutes was actually an hour and a half as they passed through “Hanes Way” into “Hanging Rock Room”. I’m still trying to take pictures but it was hard to get them to stay still long enough. They poked through every hole they could find and try to fit through. Even Amos was finding it challenging at times.

Finally got them down through the “Chimney” and into the “Catacombs” were we sat for a moment to eat, drink and rest. Time for a lights out and see just how dark it really is. We passed out the Wint-O-Green lifesavers and Steve explained how it works. And the crunching started and the sparks were glowing and a lot of “ooohs” and “aahs” as they discovered a new trick.

Gotta’ get back up and moving. Went around in a little circle and belly crawled through and back to a main passage. Some were staring to show signs of fatigue so we headed in the general direction of the entrance again, but different than how we came in. Some more climbs and crawls and back into the main breakdown room. Climbed back down and on the way stopped for one more picture.

Randy was still out side and had wondered over to see if he could see or hear anything just as we were coming out. He was feeling a little better but glad he opted to rest and stay outside.

Crew 37 is out of Elverson, PA which is over the hill from were I live in Honey Brook. Randy and I had plenty of opportunity to talk about our perspective Crews and are making plans to combine some efforts and invite each other’s Crew to our own Crew’s activities. A couple of them are excited about caving with Dragon Breath Grotto and the ones who bagged the trip, well it’s their loss on a great trip.

Encore: Corker Hill and Frustration Pit with Chester County Council VOA 2-25-06

2009-09-21T21:25:00.001-04:00

Since Geocities is closing down, I have to move all my trip reports. They are in a sort of blog form, so I'll be moving them over here, one at a time.

Kim's Venturing Crew had caved with Philly Grotto before. While talking with her, she told me she would like to talk to and set up a caving trip for the Venturers Officers Association. She spent considerable time and effort talking to the VOA and setting up this trip for them to Frustration Pit and Corker Hill. Their plan was to meet Philly Grotto at the Morgantown McDonald's on Saturday morning.

I'd like to say the usual were there, but we were missing a few. Steve G., Hanna, Paul, and I were there. I was able to borrow an extended cab truck from a friend so we could all ride together in relative comfort. The VOA was ready to go when I got there. They had a couple people drop out at the last minute, but we still had a good group. We loaded all the grotto and personal gear in the back of the truck and headed off to the caves.

When we arrived at the property, the Steve W., his son John, and his son's friend Kevin were ready waiting, and suited up to cave. The rest of us got suited up, and we handed out helmets and headlamps to the VOA while they divided themselves into two groups. One group was lead by Steve W., John, Kevin, and me. We had 4 youths and an adult leader from the VOA in our group. Steve G., Hanna, and Paul lead the other group with 4 youths and an adult as well. I started in Corker, and Steve started in Frustration Pit. The plan was to swap caves after a few hours.

Group "A"

I went first and sat at the bottom of the entrance to put light into the hole so the group could see what they were getting into. John went next and waited halfway to help guide our guests down. As our guests came down to the bottom of the entrance, they seemed a little apprehensive. One even expressed concerns of possible claustrophobia, so as they came down I talked to them and described exactly what they were going to do and see. They decided they wanted to continue, and I proceeded through the pinch to light up the next room and guide them through it. As I was counting them coming through, my sweep, Steve, came through before I expected. Yup, one had dropped out before entering the cave. I guess it's better to decide there than in the cave. I have unsuccessfully tried to describe this cave before, so I won't bore you with that again. What I found inspiring was the effort of these young folks to overcome a fear and proceed, not just with enduring the trip, but with an enthusiasm of wanting to poke in every hole and thoroughly enjoy the trip. They really developed their team and helped each other through the tight stuff and over the high stuff, smiling all the way.

After a few hours we exited Corker to take a break and try Frustration Pit. What was actually kind of nice was that the folks who were not caving had set up a stove and had hot drinks waiting for us. This was a really pleasant surprise.

As we went off to find Frustration Pit, one of our group decided they were too tired to try the second cave that day. It takes courage to realize and voice your limits. Of course Steve W. had to show them the original entrance and asked, "Who's first?" As they looked down that hole and listened to his description, they looked at each other then back at Steve. "Just kidding." Off we went to the entrance we were going to use. As we looked in this one and described the entrance, we asked again, "Who's first?" This time, without hesitation, the one who had expressed concerns of claustrophobia earlier jumped in and slid down after the leader like a pro.

We covered just about every inch of that cave and poked around a little more. John volunteered to slide in a hole none of us had been in before and shouted back reports of more cave. Next time we'll have to look more into this part. After a few hours, we exited the cave. Overall it was a good day caving. Some people knew their limits and when to say "when." Others made significant personal gains that day. I think that everyone enjoyed the day out, whether they got underground or not. These youths, being representative from different Venturing Crews, where taking back first hand information to their home Crews on planing and executing a safe, ethical, and fun caving adventure. That was my goal.

Group "B"

I went in first and helped guide the Venturers down as they came into the front end of the Halloween room. Soon enough Hannah, who was sweeping at the time, showed up short one adult leader. We then did the standard tour of Frustration Pit, including the cellar where we did the Wint-o-Green Lifesaver bit. As we slowly climbed our way back up and out of the cellar, I let Paul take one of the Venturers, I think it was Gary, up to the bottom of the smaller entrance. They both climbed up and out.

As we got the rest of the group up from the cellar, we all moved up to see that small opening as well. We then went to the bottom of the original entrance. Hannah chimneyed up most of the way to the top and found out exactly what makes the pit so frustrating! We then turned to exit. I let Paul and the Venturers lead. They did a fine job. Although there was a little disagreement at first when we returned to the junction room, one of them quickly pointed out that we were supposed to climb up at that point.

I was in the middle. As we moved up, a very large rock sitting on the slope decided that friction was no longer sufficient to hold it in place, and it slid a foot or so. That put it in a spot where it was more likely to fall the last little bit and hurt somebody, so we helped it over the edge once everyone was out of harm's way. Then we exited to warm beverages and a rapidly cooling wind. One other lesson learned by the Venturers was that Tyvek does not good caving coveralls make.

As with the other group, we lost one more youth before going in the second cave. Going down went smoothly. We poked around pretty thoroughly, seeing just about everything except the A3 lead. A couple of the VOA, Gary and Molly (the tall, thin one), even went up into the Stairway to Heaven with much more ease than can I. This was our last stop before exiting. Hannah (with Paul sweeping) took most of the group up over the rock to just below the plug hole, while I took one other guy around the way we had come. I then spotted for the Venturers as they climbed over the rock and went up through the hole. Soon enough, the last of the group and I were all that remained. He tried to get up through the hole about three times, but kept having difficulties. As I could hear the tension in his voice rise, I suggested he back off and watch me go up through it to see how I moved and where I placed my legs. After I popped up and out, he went at it again, and with a little help pulling on my arm made it up and through the hole. He then went up and out, spotted below by Hannah.

Meanwhile, I rolled up the ladder and started up and out myself. We then all went quickly back to the cars, as it had gotten quite cold by that time.

Steve

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Encore: Silars Cave Trip with Troop 18 on April 2, 2005

2009-09-17T20:04:00.000-04:00

Since Geocities is closing down, I have to move all my trip reports. They are in a sort of blog form, so I'll be moving them over here, one at a time.
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Silars Cave Trip with Troop 18 on April 2, 2005

Silars is a good sized cave with over 7,000 feet of passage. There is plenty of passage without any real technical climbing, so it makes it ideal for Youth Group trips. However, it is a 3 hour drive from my house, which makes for a long day.

To consolidate, I meet Ken at the Hoss's Restarant parking lot on Rt. 100 just south of the Downingtown exit of the PA Turnpike. Put all my stuff in the back of his truck and hoped in for a long ride. Ken is the Chairman for the Commander Cody Caving Club in Delaware. He's the one who contacted me to ride along and help out with this Scout Caving trip. Ken and I know each other through the Philadelphia Grotto where we are both members, but we've never caved together before. I was looking forward to this trip and meeting new folks to cave with.

We arrived at the rest stop, where we were to meet everyone, early and found Troop 18 was there even before us. The boys and leaders were all pumped up and ready, This was their first caving trip. All we need to do was wait for "Big Steve" and we were off to Silars.

When Steve showed, we pilled him and his equipment into Ken's truck and caravan with Troop 18 to Silars. Well, ok, with one wrong turn. But I think that's allowed.

When we pulled up to the trail head leads to Silars, everyone piled out of the cars and scrambled around getting gear and suiting up. We passed out the helmets and headlamps and checked out everyone before entering. These guys were so pumped up they were excited just to get down the ladder, and we hadn't even unlocked the gate yet.

First place we went was the Root Passage. This passage is close to the surface, so roots poke out of the ceiling. There were a lot of cave crickets in this passage, too.

After a little while we back tracked and found the Pool Room. This is a room with a fair sized dome with a clear pool of water. The colors are great in this room and the boys were mesmerized.

Going back and taking the first right, we were headed for the Tire Room. Being sweep I didn't even get to the Tire Room before Ken declared that the water in the room was too deep to go further. He stuck his leg in and went further than he was comfortable with and didn't even touch bottom. So one by one the boys slid back down and headed the other direction.

Ken and the boys found a nice little loop to climb on and get some scrambling in. Poking around we found a tight, muddy, crawl and went on scrambling to the passage to the Rest Room. Coming out of the crawl, there was a nice little hall and a climb up to where we were planning on taking another break.

At this point, some of our group was getting a little tired and some were ready to keep moving on. A bite of food and a drink helped most. A round of sparkers, from Winter Green Lifesavers, broke up the rest in the dark.

After the rest it was decided that since it would take a while to get out, the ones who were tired would start to head back and exit and the ones who were full of youthful energy would poke around some more before follow them out. This would give them time to exit at their own speed. This worked out really nice because our last group exited just after the first group, but, a couple boys had to take one last look at the Pool Room. And quite frankly I couldn't blame them and joined them.

We never did get to see the whole cave. I think it would take a good bit more time and a couple more trips to cover the whole place comfortably. Looking forward to doing just that.

Where to start

2009-09-16T18:30:00.000-04:00

YOU (Youth Opportunities Underground) is about the youth that are served and the environment that they are part of.

My goal for this blog is to pull together thoughts, information, articles, trip reports, and guest writers to publish weekly or bi-weekly.

Mission Statement:
To support individuals and organizations that provide youth with the opportunity to discover their own potentials, prepare them to become responsible and caring adults through the exploration, study and stewardship of caves, their biology and geology, as well as their environmental and historical significance.

How I became involved in this is a long story in itself, and I will go into that later and throughout other post. Basically I became a Scoutmaster when my son's Troop was in need of one. I was in Scouts and a kid and thought this would be a good chance for us to do something together. I was still doing it after he aged out. The outdoor program was my favorite part of the program. Again, more details late on that thought.
After eight years as Scoutmaster I became involved with caving and the Philadelphia Grotto, and shortly after that the National Speleological Society.
I have managed to combine both interests. It has been a lot of fun and look forward to continuing and expanding this direction with varied participation in different positions in different committees and organizations. All with youth and caves.